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Old 02-21-2023, 12:00 PM
 
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I agree that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

My biggest complaint is that I think these families with a pregnant teen ought to foot more of the bill if they want to keep mom with her child rather than running to the state for benefits.
You’re basically saying we shouldn’t give support to poor young women so they can keep their kids. I disagree. We should offer assistance with the intent of making them self sufficient. We shouldn’t save money by taking their babies and giving them to richer folks.

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Old 02-21-2023, 12:38 PM
 
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I wouldn't go that far by any means, but I do think that the subsidies that are available to unmarried pregnant women are too great. I think it is the most subsidized group in the country. There is TANF, food stamps, medicaid, first priority for public housing, special schools for pregnant teenagers, counseling, etc.

I am fairly generous to the poor as a group, but I do think all these subsidies that generally benefit unwed mothers go a bit far.
And what would your solution be? Seeing as babies ARE the future, we ALL have a vested interest in taking care of them.

Stealing them from someone causes all kinds of trauma, and it's a history that should not be repeated.
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Old 02-21-2023, 02:32 PM
 
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You’re basically saying we shouldn’t give support to poor young women so they can keep their kids. I disagree. We should offer assistance with the intent of making them self sufficient. We shouldn’t save money by taking their babies and giving them to richer folks.
I think it should be more limited. More pressure ought to be put on the teen's family to do things like pay the costs of the delivery of the child. I think teen mothers should live at home rather than being placed in government subsidized housing. The father should be located in every case and sued for child support. If he cannot pay because he is young, than collect it when he is working and older.

I am not talking about taking babies and giving them to richer folks.

I'm simply talking about insisting these families do more to support themselves rather than looking to Uncle Sam for assistance.
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Old 02-21-2023, 02:46 PM
 
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I wouldn't go that far by any means, but I do think that the subsidies that are available to unmarried pregnant women are too great. I think it is the most subsidized group in the country. There is TANF, food stamps, medicaid, first priority for public housing, special schools for pregnant teenagers, counseling, etc.

I am fairly generous to the poor as a group, but I do think all these subsidies that generally benefit unwed mothers go a bit far.
This is one of the reasons this happens so much. It's a survival method, passed down through several generations. Our system and the way it is set up, encourages this, unfortunately.
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Old 02-21-2023, 03:39 PM
 
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Well...you know...because of widely available birth control, the birthrate is way way down...thus the subject of this forum. And thus, why people are looking outside the US for babies to adopt.

And before you say "What about all the kids in fostercare?" Lots of those kids aren't available for adoption for one reason or another. In 2021 (the latest data) there were 114,000 kids available for adoption from foster care. 54,200 were adopted.

Why weren't more kids adopted? My guess is some of those kids have medical issues that make it difficult for adoption.
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Old 02-21-2023, 04:26 PM
 
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There are no infants to adopt because no one is having kids they dont want, and then abandoning them.

This is a thread of joy, and happiness. Not sorrow.
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Old 02-21-2023, 06:43 PM
 
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There are no infants to adopt because no one is having kids they dont want, and then abandoning them.

This is a thread of joy, and happiness. Not sorrow.
Well said.

For some time now, this forum has a poster who thinks baby humans are just commodities and it shows in each of their predatory posts. It's disturbing.

This thread should be about the unique needs of raising children who are not with their first families and how their second parents/families navigate those challenges and experiences.
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Old 02-21-2023, 06:56 PM
 
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I wouldn't go that far by any means, but I do think that the subsidies that are available to unmarried pregnant women are too great. I think it is the most subsidized group in the country. There is TANF, food stamps, medicaid, first priority for public housing, special schools for pregnant teenagers, counseling, etc.

I am fairly generous to the poor as a group, but I do think all these subsidies that generally benefit unwed mothers go a bit far.
They're not unwed mothers - they're fatherless children. Words matter.

Subsidies are best spent to custodians of children, not farmers in a country full of waddling obese people who are obviously getting plenty of food.
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Old 02-21-2023, 06:59 PM
 
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Well...you know...because of widely available birth control, the birthrate is way way down...thus the subject of this forum. And thus, why people are looking outside the US for babies to adopt.

And before you say "What about all the kids in fostercare?" Lots of those kids aren't available for adoption for one reason or another. In 2021 (the latest data) there were 114,000 kids available for adoption from foster care. 54,200 were adopted.

Why weren't more kids adopted? My guess is some of those kids have medical issues that make it difficult for adoption.
If someone doesn't want to parent a foster child even for a little while, to experience parenting, I'd wonder if they should adopt in the first place.
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Old 02-21-2023, 07:37 PM
 
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If someone doesn't want to parent a foster child even for a little while, to experience parenting, I'd wonder if they should adopt in the first place.

I am sorry. They are very different things.
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