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Old 12-31-2022, 09:43 AM
 
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AI can't now, but will be able to do it eventually. It certainly won't be overrated at that point.
I welcome AI. I like the idea of a robot doing all kinds of things for me and freeing up my time to do whatever I want.

I don't know if that world will come in our lifetimes though.

It seems like humans are getting increasingly busier even with all the advances in technology that keep happening. Kind of ironic.
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Old 12-31-2022, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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I have my doubts on AI replacing everything, but:

Our current socio-economic paradigm does not fit with dramatically labor-reducing technology as such. It is less likely to benefit all, and more likely as another capital tool for capitalists to use to further the wealth divide, IMHO up to a point as massive wealth inequality is unsustainable. They then either have to keep us in line to prevent a revolution, or the whole system gets overthrown for better or worse. The only way it can work is if we all have a natural-born share in that capital/means of production, and we may or may not have to control the population as well. Sound like socialism? You betcha. Whether it's utopian or dystopian to you, doesn't matter. That's the only way I see working.

It obviously won't be that simple. AI still has a long, long way to go. It can be expensive, limited by finite natural resources, not as effective as claimed, mechanical failure can always happen etc. But theoretically, such advanced technology is bad news for society until we change the basic assumptions of our economic paradigm.
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Old 12-31-2022, 10:13 AM
 
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I've been saying this for a long time. Our government (all governments around the world, actually) need to start worrying about what an economy where automation and AI do most of the work looks like. Instead we waste time an energy on problems we can't solve (climate change, non-systemic racism, etc.)
Seems the gov wants AI developed and put into use as quickly as possible, and has AI departments already set up. And not much info about economic disruptions I can find:

Department of Defense and National Security
...for the acceleration of the DoD’s adoption of data, analytics, and AI to generate decision advantage across, from the boardroom to the battlefield.
https://www.ai.mil

Department of Health and Human Services
https://www.hhs.gov/about/agencies/a.../ai/index.html

Department of Energy Artificial Intelligence & Technology Office
Transform the Department of Energy into a world leading AI enterprise by [u]accelerating [/
U]research, development, delivery, demonstration and adoption of responsible and trustworthy AI.

https://www.energy.gov/ai/artificial...hnology-office

There's that word again- "transform". That must be part of the big plan?

Just think while the gov is aiming to "accelerate" AI everywhere, Musk's Neuralink is developing "implantable brain–computer interfaces". Neuralink will be testing it's brain tech on people this year.
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Old 12-31-2022, 10:55 AM
 
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It obviously won't be that simple. AI still has a long, long way to go. It can be expensive, limited by finite natural resources, not as effective as claimed, mechanical failure can always happen etc. But theoretically, such advanced technology is bad news for society until we change the basic assumptions of our economic paradigm.
Have you tried it out? It can literally do anything.
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Old 12-31-2022, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Yakima yes, an apartment!
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Check out ChatGPT.

https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt/

What are people going to do?
I worked in mold injection plastics, AI may be able to do basic functions, but for fine work, needing color matching correctly and for inserting a "frame" which might need some "jiggling" to fit, it's 100+ years before they'll wipe out workers.
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Old 12-31-2022, 11:18 AM
 
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I want no part of this type of future. I suppose if the world is to be a tech dominated place where people no longer work, stores are all online and cars drive themselves I will just retreat from the world and live a more isolated life in retirement. I don’t like the way things are going and I think you will find a lot of people from the Gen X or boomer group will feel the same way.

Maybe I can retire as an expat somewhere and get away from this…..not every country will be going in this direction.
There is a reason to be thankful when you're old. Yes, the world is changing, unfortunately not for the better. IMO the downfall started with social media. Keyboard warriors are mean, disrespectful, lack tolerance and basic manners. It expanded to all walks of our lives. People don't have respect or tolerance for others, they lack work ethics, destroy homes and businesses, steal and don't care about rule of law.

I'm glad I won't have to face a future in a world that probably will be destroyed by the human race.
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Old 12-31-2022, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Have you tried it out? It can literally do anything.
Can it cure depression? Repair itself indefinitely? Go out and mine the materials required to do so? Predict crimes before they happen? Control the weather? Convince stubborn people they're wrong? Align humans politically? Can it distinguish whether or not an article has biased language (I ask this because linguistics in particular is dependent on the collective public's perception of said language, which changes constantly and requires a constant mining of data from each human brain)?It's not even convincing with music yet, though I am impressed with its ability here. There are also logic problems that exist in the human sphere: if you replace each board on a ship little by little, is it still the same ship. Again, a linguistics/logic problem. Human brains essentially guess what words mean based on probabilities. If I say "See that big guy over there?", and there are a bunch of similarly-weighted fellows around, I probably mean the naked one throwing stuff around. Anyone can guess who I mean, but AI would need a LOT more parameters to ascertain exactly what I mean. "Big guy" doesn't cut it in the slightest. It can be programmed to recognized such things, but it's a lot of work and will be a very specific model to do just that. Human brains have little problem with this.

It still requires vast human input and maintenance, as it's not yet capable of original creative thought on the magnitude of humans. It still requires prompts and design. One can argue that this is also how humans operate, but the design and prompts are naturally baked in. It just took millions of years of natural selection to refine. I'm still not convinced that AI can come up with its own goals.

Theoretically, with enough time and energy, it can do everything a human can. I have a feeling humans use shortcuts in their consciousness, perhaps of a quantum nature ignoring the laws of plain old binary logic. Regardless, AI still requires major human input and supervision when it comes to machine learning. I suppose the main problem is not ability, but feasibility. The day where AI can recognize a problem with its own model and fix it are incredibly far away. I just don't think it's possible to reach a point where you can substitute human input with the AI's own.

Sorry if rambly, there are a lot of facets to this. It's a complicated subject. But my point is, there will still be things that humans can do better than AI, usually in the realm of subjective logic, defining proper parameters, and goal-setting. Do I think it will obliterate a huge chunk of human labor in the marketplace and cause major economic disruption? Absolutely.
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Old 12-31-2022, 11:39 AM
 
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Old 12-31-2022, 11:47 AM
 
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Who is Al?
For most people, Al comprises the educational system.
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Old 12-31-2022, 11:49 AM
 
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Sorry if rambly, there are a lot of facets to this. It's a complicated subject. But my point is, there will still be things that humans can do better than AI, usually in the realm of subjective logic, defining proper parameters, and goal-setting. Do I think it will obliterate a huge chunk of human labor in the marketplace and cause major economic disruption? Absolutely.
Maybe, but this technology as it stands now, can eliminate 90% of jobs. Maybe hair dressers will still be employed.
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