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Old 06-19-2023, 02:50 PM
 
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If management were automated, then I should be able to buy an unpaid leave option, analogous to a stock option, for a price that was approximately commensurate with the pro-rated difference between the equivalent full-time and part-time positions.

Thoughts?
In your "If...Then..." above, two things stand out to me.

1) I'm not sure there needs to be an "If..." clause. Doesn't the "Then..." clause stand on its own?

2) In the real world, some types of jobs should fit the clause and others not so much. Jobs which neatly fit include primary care medical doctor, structural engineer, HVAC repair technician, and burger flipper. Other types of jobs that don't seem to fit are those that require extensive on-the-job training and institutional knowledge. Product manager, brand manager, business development manager come to mind.
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Old 06-19-2023, 04:57 PM
 
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Yes, I'm all for flexibility but I think you missed the point. The flexibility is already there if management chooses to use it. They already have the option of giving leave without pay if they wanted to. Flexibility means treating different employees differently. Which means someone will complain. It's easier for management to give a one size fits none answer than take the heat why John is treated differently than Jane.
AI isn't the solution; the solution is for management to be willing.
That is a very good point. I suppose if one part of management's job was replaced by AI, someone would still figure out how to blame a human for every problem, and then whoever that is, will want to cover their rear end. And end up creating a rigid policy to do it. And then we'd be right back where we started, maybe.
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Old 06-19-2023, 06:34 PM
 
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In my workplace subculture, that is verboten. No one else in management wants to help, because they all try to push the issue back to one's immediate supervisor.
You start sounding childish! Real life is not grad school.
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Old 06-20-2023, 06:11 AM
 
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Sure, replace me with an AI for things that can be automated and then keep me for those that can't. And let me take unpaid leave when I'm not needed. That would be lovely. Unfortunately, the situation I am in is that if I run out of work, I have to sit there and do nothing, for absolutely no reason at all. If that is not human stupidity, I don't know what is.
Many of your posts here seem to be centered around your disdain for your particular company and its management. Have you considered either of these:

1) You can and should find a new job.

2) Maybe the issue is you and not everyone else.

I remember you pounding on the desk about how your company "forced" remote work on people and how unfair you found that to be. It sounds like you simply have issues with being told what to do. Maybe think about starting your own business so you can implement all of these ncole1 specific policies on your own.
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Old 06-20-2023, 08:15 AM
 
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Yes, please stop.
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Old 06-20-2023, 11:31 AM
 
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As with accountants, the AI will have no idea of what each employee is actually worth. It's not about pay, or pay lost, it's about how much a particular employee makes/creates in either goods or profits.


Does this AI know people need pay?
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Old 06-20-2023, 03:18 PM
 
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You start sounding childish! Real life is not grad school.
I am simply telling you how it is.
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Old 06-20-2023, 03:22 PM
 
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Many of your posts here seem to be centered around your disdain for your particular company and its management. Have you considered either of these:

1) You can and should find a new job.

2) Maybe the issue is you and not everyone else.

I remember you pounding on the desk about how your company "forced" remote work on people and how unfair you found that to be. It sounds like you simply have issues with being told what to do. Maybe think about starting your own business so you can implement all of these ncole1 specific policies on your own.
The company that forced remote work was my previous employer. I am looking for an employer that has policies that are actually based on logic, and not on weird assumptions about people. If such employers don't exist, maybe I should move to somewhere where the COL is very low and try to live off my investments. Being of an INTJ personality type, I don't take too well to silly rules. I am happy to abide by reasonable rules, but not rules that simply make no sense at all in the situation I find myself in.
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Old 06-20-2023, 03:25 PM
 
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I am looking for an employer that has policies that are actually based on logic, and not on weird assumptions about people that are not true for everyone. .
Is any policy and the assumptions on which it's based 'true for everyone?'

As a manager there are few things I hate more than conversations with employees insisting that THEIR definitions of logic and fairness are, of course, universal.
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Old 06-20-2023, 03:29 PM
 
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Is any policy and the assumptions on which it's based 'true for everyone?'

As a manager there are few things I hate more than conversations with employees insisting that THEIR definitions of logic and fairness are, of course, universal.
If something is true for 51% of the people, why is it a blanket policy without a written exception? Obviously if something is true for 99.9% of the people, I would not expect the handbook to devote much space to the exceptions. But is "reasonable" too much to ask?

In many white collar jobs in the modern world, workers often do have idle days when business is slow. This is not in any way a rare phenomenon. So I'm puzzled why the leave policy is written as though these days don't even exist.
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