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Yes, but it's not the only option. The other vaccines contain inactive virii. Also, Flumist is an attenuated dose. Regardless, none of these vaccinations cause pain shooting down one side of the body among people with allergies. It sounds to me more that the OP has had some kind of illness that has nothing to do with his allergies OR with the vaccine, but because the illness occured after getting vaccinated, he's chosen to go the "correlation equals causation" route.
Yes, but it's not the only option. The other vaccines contain inactive virii. Also, Flumist is an attenuated dose. Regardless, none of these vaccinations cause pain shooting down one side of the body among people with allergies. It sounds to me more that the OP has had some kind of illness that has nothing to do with his allergies OR with the vaccine, but because the illness occured after getting vaccinated, he's chosen to go the "correlation equals causation" route.
The vaccine could cause pain on one side. There are other things in the flu vaccine that could cause different reactions in different people. There's no way really to know one way or another whether it was the flu vaccine that caused the reaction or something else entirely.
The vaccine could cause pain on one side. There are other things in the flu vaccine that could cause different reactions in different people. There's no way really to know one way or another whether it was the flu vaccine that caused the reaction or something else entirely.
Lots of stuff can happen. Here is the details of what OTHER stuff is in there and they are not so good and can cause all sorts of problems:
Pretty big risk when you consider that a vaccine is a crap shoot.
I agree with you. I do think that flu vaccine is a crap shoot and I don't think it's healthy to get those ingredients injected into one's body. I do believe that it's possible that the op's reaction was due to the flu vaccine. Some here say that there's no way. I'd say that it's impossible to know for sure one way or the other.
What do you mean by the virus is "dead"? Are you saying that if someone has the flu that the virus they have is ALIVE?
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I don't give any credit to wikipedia.
So then why does saying that we shouldn't fear viruses because they are "dead" have to do with anything? Isn't that really just the medical industry trying to make vaccines a bit more palletable to the consumer?
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Isn't the flu mist vaccine "live"?
What AnonChick said.
Virologists do not like to call viruses "alive" because they require the cells of a living host in which to reproduce. Viruses enter the cell, then take over the machinery in the cell to make new copies of the virus. They cannot reproduce without the host in the way that bacteria can multiply on surfaces, for example.
With a vaccine like the flu injection, the virus is treated (inactivated or "killed")so that when it is introduced into the body, it cannot take over cells and make new copies of itself. To simplify things, we say it is "dead". The immune system does not need a "live" virus in order to make antibodies to it. It does not even need the entire viral particle. Modern vaccines often contain only part of the particle, just enough that the immune system can recognize it.
Other vaccines do contain the entire viral particle, but it has been weakened so that it is unlikely to cause disease. That is a "live" attenuated vaccine. The virus in the nasal spray vaccine is not only attenuated, it is "cold adapted". That means it can "live" and reproduce in the upper airways but not in the warmer conditions in the lower respiratory system.
This also means that when someone receives an injection of a vaccine, the immune system sees only the number of viral particles (or bacterial particles) that it needs to mount a response and learn how to prevent infection with the "live" virus. In contrast, when an actual infection occurs, the virus replicates rapidly, exposing the body to far more antigens than are given in the vaccine. That is why describing vaccination as "stressing" the immune system is so wrong. Infections put much more stress on the body than vaccines do.
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The vaccine could cause pain on one side. There are other things in the flu vaccine that could cause different reactions in different people. There's no way really to know one way or another whether it was the flu vaccine that caused the reaction or something else entirely.
The pain described in the OP is probably not due to the vaccine because there is no plausible biological mechanism to explain it. When the flu vaccine activates the immune system, it can cause a sore arm at the site of the injection, generalized muscle aches, a slight fever, and some fatigue that lasts a few days. The inflammatory response that causes that is not localized to one side of the body. Just because the flu vaccine preceded the symptom does not mean the flu vaccine caused the symptom. In this case, the pain is far more likely to have been due to a muscle strain, and I have had strains occur from doing something as simple as getting out of bed. It's not always obvious what the activity causing the strain was, either.
When vaccines are tested, people who take the vaccine report all symptoms that they have afterwards. If flu vaccine caused "pain all down one side of the body lasting weeks", at least some of those people should report that symptom and report it more often that people who do not take the vaccine. It's just not happening. The ingredients in vaccines other than the viral or bacterial antigens are all there for a purpose. All are recognized as safe and none are likely to cause "pain all down one side of the body lasting weeks".
OMG don't get me started on dihydrogen monoxide - I swear it's in EVERYTHING these days. Food is tainted with it, it's added to medicines and supplements and there's even been reports of it in the air near schools. Honestly, vaccines should be the least of everyone's worries, someone needs to DO something about that poison!
I agree with you. I do think that flu vaccine is a crap shoot and I don't think it's healthy to get those ingredients injected into one's body. I do believe that it's possible that the op's reaction was due to the flu vaccine. Some here say that there's no way. I'd say that it's impossible to know for sure one way or the other.
The whole vaccine thing is really just for the gullible in my opinion. Those that keep expending energy promoting it I suppose believe that GREED is not found in the Drug business.
I really don't worry about any viruses. I know that I can jump into a FAR Infrared Sauna and use the bodies natural defenses to destroy viruses and other diseases by ramping up the heat. I destroyed the bronchitis I had this early fall by using my new Sauna. I highly recommend them.
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