08-03-2012, 09:53 PM
Location: Phoenix
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magnum0417
Honestly, anyone fearful of heights is probably fearful of going down a steep grade as opposed to up. There are NO STEEP DOWNHILL GRADES outside of Cordes Junction to Camp Verde when traveling from PHX to IL. Flag to Winslow is gradual. The ABQ West Mesa to ABQ is a gradual safe drop. Clines Corners to Santa Rosa is gradual.....You get the idea.
I know what you mean. I was trying to use Black Canyon as a benchmark as I always enjoy the drive DOWN it more than the drop into the Verde Valley. I'm not sure what is too much for the OP. Way back with an overloaded, less than reliable vehicle the drop into Benson was interesting.
08-03-2012, 10:15 PM
Location: Rural Michigan
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1-10 through Texas canyon (outside of Tucson) has "high wind" areas and at least *one* hill that was steep enough to slow my rented Penske truck down to 35mph at full throttle... I seriously wasn't sure we were going to make it up that hill.
08-03-2012, 10:44 PM
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locolobo13
I know what you mean. I was trying to use Black Canyon as a benchmark as I always enjoy the drive DOWN it more than the drop into the Verde Valley. I'm not sure what is too much for the OP. Way back with an overloaded, less than reliable vehicle the drop into Benson was interesting.
I know this much. The OP is missing out on the best parts of the state if a steep 2000 foot grade in elevation is intimidating. I guess the OP will have to settle for the boring I 8 stretch from Casa Grande to Yuma.
Moderator cut: inappropriate language Like I have said umpteen times. Those into nature and outdoor sports are in their comfort zone here. Those from the East and Midwest that get by on Scottsdale Fashion Square do not nor will they ever get what living in the Great SW is all about.
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08-04-2012, 06:43 AM
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My wife just this morning left from Illinois heading to Phoenix to bring one of our vehicles down to our new house.
08-04-2012, 10:25 AM
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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For those of us who commute to the Upper Midwest from Phoenix often, we all take Hwy 87 from Fountain Hills or Mesa to Payson, and then from there to Heber, and get on I-40 in Holbrook. That is much closer than going through Flagstaff, BUT, it is hilly and high altitude and windy in spots, so is the drive up I-17.
08-04-2012, 05:23 PM
Location: 85379^85268
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Take the I10 route. The hill from Flagstaff to Phoenix can be a scary drive especially coming down from Flagstaff, If one is scared they might have a natural reaction to ride the brakes.Take I10.
07-28-2014, 10:48 PM
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Dramatic for sure...
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rgscpat
For an acrophobic, the canyons and hills between Phoenix and Flagstaff are dramatic enough to be exciting.
I think Amtrak is a great alternative. I have to say you are totally accurate about the ride between Phoenix and Flagstaff. It is beautiful but I struggled to go fast enough to not be a total menace to the other drivers. Is there any alternative route between Phoenix and Flagstaff?
07-29-2014, 07:52 AM
Location: Chicago W Suburbs
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Actually I'm glad someone unearthed this thread. My husband is going to be driving towing a small trailer in another month or so from Northern IL to San Tan Valley.
07-29-2014, 08:19 AM
Location: Boydton, VA
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"Is there any alternative route between Phoenix and Flagstaff?"....Sure, however any way you cut it, you are going from roughly 1,000' above sea level to roughly 7,000' above sea level. I-17 is the straightest/shortest route and a great road...big trucks travel I-17 daily, they travel slower than normal, but they get there.
08-03-2014, 05:45 PM
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Goober13
Yes,you can take 1-10 south from Phoenix towards El Paso, go east to I-20.Take I-20 to I-35E in Dallas Ft Worth, which connects to I-35. Take I-35 north all the way to Des Moines, get on I-80 east to Chicago, or wherever you are headed in Illinois. No mountains.
I'm confused. I thought I 10 only goes east and west. Help me out PLEASE. I want to take this route but not sure how to take I 10 south
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Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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