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Huh? What a strange response. You didn't address anything in my post, but regardless it's not a rumor, but an accusation by the victim of sexual assault. And censorship is kinda the point here! Censorship to the extreme where the powers are willing to not only to manipulate social media, but to create false evidence and coerce the victim in making the claims go away. The government of course controls social media and controls the narrative. You didn't know that? You must have pretending not to know it on purpose.
Yeah I would hope you don't support a policy of coercing rape victims to reverse there accusations for political reasons. Anyways if you don't support the policy, then condemn it like everyone else is instead of diverting the topic as you did in previous responses. Simply saying "oh it's not allowed in China" doesn't make it OK. Seriously, are you living in some twilight zone of denial?
Pay attention to the flow of logic.
You were saying Peng Shuai was silenced because blah blah.
I just told you that such discussions are always silenced. In China, it is simply not allowed to talk about such things in general, because they have very serious consequences in that country.
Personally I do not support this policy, but the policy is well known. You should not ignore it and use "being silenced = being persecuted" to advance your agenda.
You were saying Peng Shuai was silenced because blah blah.
I just told you that such discussions are always silenced. In China, it is simply not allowed to talk about such things in general, because they have very serious consequences in that country.
Personally I do not support this policy, but the policy is well known. You should not ignore it and use "being silenced = being persecuted" to advance your agenda.
What about Kris Wu?
His scandal did not get silenced and he did not face any severe punishment either.
His scandal did not get silenced and he did not face any severe punishment either.
You mean Wu Yifan? He is not a politician, and he is in jail now. His crimes are not baseless, although we need to wait for the conviction in the court.
You mean Wu Yifan? He is not a politician, and he is in jail now. His crimes are not baseless, although we need to wait for the conviction in the court.
Sorry, I was thinking about the wrong guy. I was thinking about the Alibaba manager.
You were saying Peng Shuai was silenced because blah blah.
I just told you that such discussions are always silenced. In China, it is simply not allowed to talk about such things in general, because they have very serious consequences in that country.
Personally I do not support this policy, but the policy is well known. You should not ignore it and use "being silenced = being persecuted" to advance your agenda.
Being silenced is the agenda, that's the flow of logic. If you do not support the policy then what do we have to argue? Don't come in here trying to divert the topic to advance YOUR agenda - which is defending PRC. There is no defense here.
Frankly you made two indefensible and disgusting responses here in this thread:
1.) That an accusation of rape by a victim is merely "rumor".
2.) A dismissal of any claim of rape because "a gay man does not know a woman well".
Those two statements are about as misanthropic as one can be.
You mean Wu Yifan? He is not a politician, and he is in jail now. His crimes are not baseless, although we need to wait for the conviction in the court.
This case goes and shows that rape and sexual assault is very much the norm within the Chinese ruling class.
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Pay attention to the flow of logic.
You were saying Peng Shuai was silenced because blah blah.
I just told you that such discussions are always silenced. In China, it is simply not allowed to talk about such things in general, because they have very serious consequences in that country.
Personally I do not support this policy, but the policy is well known. You should not ignore it and use "being silenced = being persecuted" to advance your agenda.
Only in piece of **** countries like China would this be acceptable.
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Originally Posted by Bettafish
Show me the evidence. My mother is a Chinese woman and I never feel she is powerless. She enjoys all the rights men enjoy and is respected in the family. The same applies to other women I am familiar with.
Name one Chinese politician in position, who has a CONFIRMED affair.
"Rape within the CCP ruling class is so common it's basically the norm": BS and lie.
You really are completely clueless about consent and sexual violence, not that I'm surprised. Like I said, China is basically stuck in stone age in terms of gender equality.
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This is always the default... "You don't understand. You're not Chinese." No, I do understand. Lots of other people do, too. I wish that more of the people who defend China reflexively could understand how these displays of reactionary defensiveness when everyone - including themselves - know what's up, only serve to make China look worse.
Even to those who can read everything their responses are the same.
This case goes and shows that rape and sexual assault is very much the norm within the Chinese ruling class.
Wu Yifan is a celebrity...don't let me start with the life style of celebrities in the west...
Now there is evidence that he had sexual contact with minors, so he deserves the punishment. But it has nothing to do with our topic.
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Only in piece of **** countries like China would this be acceptable.
In fact many countries do not allow such discussions on national leaders/symbols. In some countries it is even stated as a crime in law (e.g. Thailand). Personally I don't like it, but only narrow minded people would be surprised about it.
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You really are completely clueless about consent and sexual violence, not that I'm surprised. Like I said, China is basically stuck in stone age in terms of gender equality.
Being silenced is the agenda, that's the flow of logic. If you do not support the policy then what do we have to argue? Don't come in here trying to divert the topic to advance YOUR agenda - which is defending PRC. There is no defense here.
Frankly you made two indefensible and disgusting responses here in this thread:
1.) That an accusation of rape by a victim is merely "rumor".
2.) A dismissal of any claim of rape because "a gay man does not know a woman well".
Those two statements are about as misanthropic as one can be.
1) It is truly a rumor. There is no sufficient evidence, and the only thing we know is a blog post, which has been deleted.
Neither the alleged victim nor the alleged criminal said anything more.
2) Apparently logic is not your strength. How can you make a conclusion involving the term "any" (a global quantifier), based on my observation of a specific Taiwanese gay man who has been posting here for years? (In the past he clearly stated that he hates China and wants China to be nuked). I said he may not understand women well, but it does not entail a dismissal of "any" claim of rape. I understand you intended to polarize my statement to make it false, but such a tactic is rather distasteful.
You let your hatred against China government cloud your judgement. That is ok, but I don't follow that path.
What I say is, without more evidence, it is a rumor. Period.
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Wu Yifan is a celebrity...don't let me start with the life style of celebrities in the west...
Now there is evidence that he had sexual contact with minors, so he deserves the punishment. But it has nothing to do with our topic.
In fact many countries do not allow such discussions on national leaders/symbols. In some countries it is even stated as a crime in law (e.g. Thailand). Personally I don't like it, but only narrow minded people would be surprised about it.
Totally BS. Do you even believe it yourself?
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Originally Posted by Bettafish
1) It is truly a rumor. There is no sufficient evidence, and the only thing we know is a blog post, which has been deleted.
Neither the alleged victim nor the alleged criminal said anything more.
2) Apparently logic is not your strength. How can you make a conclusion involving the term "any" (a global quantifier), based on my observation of a specific Taiwanese gay man who has been posting here for years? (In the past he clearly stated that he hates China and wants China to be nuked).
You let your hatred against China government cloud your judgement. That is ok, but I don't follow that path.
What I say is, without more evidence, it is a rumor. Period.
In fact many countries do not allow such discussions on national leaders/symbols. In some countries it is even stated as a crime in law (e.g. Thailand). Personally I don't like it, but only narrow minded people would be surprised about it.
I don't get what you are trying to say. Sure, China is not the only country who cover up sex crimes for powerful people with good connections.
But China is not Afghanistan and has a reputation to uphold. Being caught disappearing the victims of sex scandals is not a good look for China and should be condemned.
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