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Originally Posted by roodd279
We have the technology to assure AC is where is supposed to be while on the ground.
We do not. We have the technology to know where it is - but not to "assure" it is anywhere in particular, other than give the pilot directions, and hope he understands them. That's it. At all airports, and aircraft, everywhere. The only reason planes don't land on other planes every day is because the Pilot doesn't pull out into to traffic - there is no "remote" way to stop him or some other technology.
Very simple to add blinking lights / alarms / closed loop to ATC, that an aircraft has violated positional ATC clearance.
'lane departure warning'.... As is could be considered.
No, it would not STOP a crew from violating... But that feature is possible as well (but very restrictive and unlikely, yet).
This incident will add impetus to automated ATC of aircraft. Unlikely soon, but arriving eventually.
Could there be a language barrier? The Control Tower addressed the Coast Guard plane as "Number 1", and the latter repeated the instruction "as Number 1".
What was meant by "Number 1" ???
Why did not they use local Japanese language instead of the badly pronounced standardized aviation English? After all, the Coast Guard plane was on a domestic flight.
Could there be a language barrier? The Control Tower addressed the Coast Guard plane as "Number 1", and the latter repeated the instruction "as Number 1".
What was meant by "Number 1" ???
Why did not they use local Japanese language instead of the badly pronounced standardized aviation English? After all, the Coast Guard plane was on a domestic flight.
Because English is language for all the aviators in the airspace
Because English is language for all the aviators in the airspace
I looked up some YouTube videos. In Shanghai, Beijing, the ATC communicated with their own in Mandarin. This is also the practice in some parts of Spain and France.
It's amazing that everyone on the plane survived considering it burst into flames on impact. One article said there were 8 infants on the flight. Another article claims that two passengers lost their pets. It didn't sound like the pets were in the cabin.
They supposedly have both black boxes from the coast guard plane but not the other one.
All 379 passengers aboard JAL flight 516 were safely evacuated before the jet was consumed by a fire that took more than six hours to extinguish.
But five of the six crew of the smaller aircraft were killed, with the pilot surviving but badly injured. The Coast Guard plane had been on its way to deliver aid to areas on Japan's west coast that were hit by an earthquake.
The incident is under investigation by Japanese transport authorities. Local media reports said police are looking into possible professional negligence in the case, Reuters reported
Japan Airlines estimated on Thursday the accident would result in an operating loss of about 15 billion yen ($105 million).
The company said the loss of the aircraft will be covered by insurance. The airline is also discussing compensation with individual passengers after two people said their pets died in the accident, JAL officials said.
U.S. insurer AIG was reportedly the lead insurer on a $130 million "all-risks" policy for the two-year old plane that was destroyed in the incident, according to Reuters.
Transport safety officials searched for a voice recorder from the severely burned fuselage of a Japan Airlines plane, seeking crucial information on what caused a collision with a small coast guard plane on the runway at Tokyo’s Haneda airport.
On Saturday, heavy machinery worked for a second day to remove debris of the burned Airbus A320 for storage in a hangar to allow the runway to reopen. Transport Minister Tetsuo Saito said officials were aiming to reopen the runway Monday. Wreckage of the Japan Coast Guard plane had been cleared.
JTSB experts have so far secured both the flight and voice data recorders from the coast guard’s Bombardier Dash-8 and a flight data recorder from the JAL plane to find out what happened in the last few minutes before Tuesday’s fatal collision.
New details have also emerged from media footage at Haneda airport. NHK television reported footage from its monitoring camera set up at the Haneda airport showed that the coast guard plane moved on to the runway and stopped there for about 40 seconds before the collision.
In the footage, the coast guard aircraft is seen entering the runway from the C5 taxiway, then shortly after the passenger plane touches down right behind and rams into it, creating an orange fireball. The JAL airliner, covered with flames and spewing gray smoke, continues down the runway before coming to a stop.
I looked up some YouTube videos. In Shanghai, Beijing, the ATC communicated with their own in Mandarin. This is also the practice in some parts of Spain and France.
Well at least until the accident in part caused by other international flight crews not understanding the internal communications of two or three parties and thus not get a heads up by listening in occurs.
It's amazing that everyone on the plane survived considering it burst into flames on impact. One article said there were 8 infants on the flight.
A pilot friend of mine commented that apparently the passengers followed instructions to leave their stuff behind - and that he wasn't sure other nationalities would have been as disciplined. But it's a huge "Well done!" to the cabin crew in that flight, and I hope they get something nice in their next paycheck.
A pilot friend of mine commented that apparently the passengers followed instructions to leave their stuff behind - and that he wasn't sure other nationalities would have been as disciplined. But it's a huge "Well done!" to the cabin crew in that flight, and I hope they get something nice in their next paycheck.
It's amazing that everyone on the plane survived considering it burst into flames on impact. One article said there were 8 infants on the flight. Another article claims that two passengers lost their pets. It didn't sound like the pets were in the cabin.
They supposedly have both black boxes from the coast guard plane but not the other one.
I’m wondering how many non-ambulatory disabled pax were on board and how they got out?
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