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Old 01-17-2024, 09:27 PM
 
Location: West Phoenix
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He was saving his own butt, everyone else was along for the ride.
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Old 01-18-2024, 04:34 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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He was saving his own butt, everyone else was along for the ride.


Really? Is THAT what he was doing when he walked to the back of the cabin TWICE to make sure everyone on board got out?

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Old 01-18-2024, 04:35 PM
 
Location: The Circle City. Sometimes NE of Bagdad.
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“Not every situation can be foreseen or anticipated. There isn’t a checklist for everything.”
― Chesley B. Sullenberger, Sully: My Search for What Really Matters
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Old 01-18-2024, 05:04 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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“Not every situation can be foreseen or anticipated. There isn’t a checklist for everything.”
― Chesley B. Sullenberger, Sully: My Search for What Really Matters
You note his consistency through many interviews, and his systematic thought processes during crisis.
1) This is bad... but we must do something FAST (low altitude, low airspeed, limited glide path.)
2) I don't want to be responsible for cracking up this bird (I'm responsible for her, and it would look bad on my resume, work history, and future jobs)
3) Our actions must be actionable and save lives (on the ground, AND onboard)
4) Get busy and implement a solution
5) This won't be pretty, but must be done (NOW).

Not once have I discerned, Yikes... Poor ME.

Lifetime career of training and responsibility.
Now perform as trained and able.

Not any different than many AF and Naval AC pilots I know.

Note; Captain Tammie Jo Shults, WN (SWA) 1380
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-s...ped-180973595/
We could only “treat the symptoms” for a while, keeping control of the aircraft our priority.

Did any of the skills you developed as a military pilot help you that day?

Yes. All of them. We only learn to fly once, and my background is Navy. My experience there emphasized hand-flying, airmanship, maintaining control of the aircraft, and “head work,” as the Navy calls it: common sense and keeping a healthy sense of priorities.

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Old 01-18-2024, 05:38 PM
 
Location: USA
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Not only did he execute the nearly impossible landing perfectly, he walked to the back of the cabin TWICE to make sure everyone got out. This flight will be part of aviation lore for many, many years to come.

And to add to the list of special pilots, including Sully, and aviators, Prince Harry is being honored as a "Living Legends of Aviation".

"This will see Prince Harry join the ranks of legendary astronauts Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin, who are among the past recipients. Inductees of Living Legends of Aviation are chosen for their significant contributions to aviation and aerospace."

https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/p...ds-of-aviation
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Old 01-18-2024, 06:21 PM
 
Location: West Phoenix
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Really? Is THAT what he was doing when he walked to the back of the cabin TWICE to make sure everyone on board got out?
While he was trying to land the plane, his main concern was saving his butt, if he lived, then the others would. After he landed, he was doing his job by making sure his passengers were off the plane. but until it came to a stop, they were not on his mind, he was just trying to live thru it.
If you are not a pilot, you have no idea what goes on during a forced landing.
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Old 01-19-2024, 08:36 AM
 
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“Not every situation can be foreseen or anticipated. There isn’t a checklist for everything.”
― Chesley B. Sullenberger, Sully: My Search for What Really Matters
Before manned flight came about, that mindset was cherished among another group of professionals: Seamen. That's pretty much what seamanship is, right there: The acknowledgement that eventually, something unexpected happens and you either have the tools & knowledge to do something constructive - or you'll most likely die.
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Old 01-19-2024, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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Before manned flight came about, that mindset was cherished among another group of professionals: Seamen. That's pretty much what seamanship is, right there: The acknowledgement that eventually, something unexpected happens and you either have the tools & knowledge to do something constructive - or you'll most likely die.

quoting from the interwebs:

"The captain goes down with the ship" is a maritime tradition that a sea captain holds the ultimate responsibility for both the ship and everyone embarked on it, and in an emergency they will devote their time to save those on board or die trying.
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Old 01-19-2024, 05:21 PM
 
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quoting from the interwebs:

"The captain goes down with the ship" is a maritime tradition that a sea captain holds the ultimate responsibility for both the ship and everyone embarked on it, and in an emergency they will devote their time to save those on board or die trying.
maybe...
Captain Francesco Schettino was asked why he abandoned the sinking Costa Concordia cruise ship in 2012 while the ship’s passengers were either dying or trying to escape,

Thirty-two passengers and crew died.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Schettino
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Old 01-20-2024, 05:32 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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maybe...
Captain Francesco Schettino was asked why he abandoned the sinking Costa Concordia cruise ship in 2012 while the ship’s passengers were either dying or trying to escape,

Thirty-two passengers and crew died.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Schettino
Well, yea, he was an exception. That WAS a head scratcher, but I think he was a drinker, no?
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