Boston mom says teacher duct taped 3-year-old to chair (daycares, luxury)

[msRB311]

Originally Posted by katharsis

In my Denver suburb in 1997, preschool started at 2 1/2, but the kids had to be potty-trained.

I have no idea what it is now in Colorado or in other states.

Of course, I guess it depends on what is meant by "preschool", but they started teaching counting and colors, at least, at a very young age (but mainly it was just socialization and learning to be quiet in "circle time").

but was it a free pre school?

In my town you have to pay for public kindergarten

[prospectheightsresident]

While the mother should have been notified from the get-go, for all I know, this was necessary to ensure the safety of the child (and possibly others) . . . the mother's allegations leave a lot unanswered. I'm not saying that this is the case, but I am curious about what the reason is. And, no, I'm not one of those who believe that a child "should never" be treated in such a way. I've seen children acting out in supermarkets (possibly special needs) literally banging their heads on the floor throwing tantrums. Lord knows if in such a situation I'd prefer that a child be restrained to a chair than continue doing such and possibly bringing about permanent brain damage.

Again, I'm not saying that any of what I wrote was the case. Just that it's not inconceivable for me to see circumstances that could justifiably lead to such outcomes IMO.

[redplum33]

Originally Posted by prospectheightsresident

While the mother should have been notified from the get-go, for all I know, this was necessary to ensure the safety of the child (and possibly others) . . . the mother's allegations leave a lot unanswered. I'm not saying that this is the case, but I am curious about what the reason is. And, no, I'm not one of those who believe that a child "should never" be treated in such a way. I've seen children acting out in supermarkets (possibly special needs) literally banging their heads on the floor throwing tantrums. Lord knows if in such a situation I'd prefer that a child be restrained to a chair than continue doing such and possibly bringing about permanent brain damage.

Again, I'm not saying that any of what I wrote was the case. Just that it's not inconceivable for me to see circumstances that could justifiably lead to such outcomes IMO.

From the wgbh link msRB311 posted:

"Superintendent Mary Skipper said in a statement to GBH that the incident is “deeply concerning" and that the district will continue to work with the student and family to give them any support they need to feel safe and continue in BPS."

The superintendent finds this "deeply concerning", so I doubt it was necessary.

[katharsis]

Originally Posted by msRB311

but was it a free pre school?

In my town you have to pay for public kindergarten

With my daughter, we paid for her to go to a private KinderCare Pre-K program three half-days per week -- and I think it was about $150 a week, IIRC.

However, we enrolled my son in the local Parks and Rec preschool program which was set up as three half-days per week for four- and five-year-olds and two half-days for the younger kids, and it was much less -- only about $100 a month, IIRC.

(This was more than 25 years ago, so I could certainly be wrong about the costs, but the KinderCare program was much more expensive, but we did pay something for the P&R program, which had a certified preschool teacher and one assistant, with the parents taking turns providing another assistant, and there were about 12-15 kids in both classes, I think.)

[msRB311]

yeah, i mean this is a completely free program, it's basically free daycare.

I certainly don't agree with restraining a kid like this and I'm not sure why this course of action was taken. They don't say what the kid was doing...but I would think there would be outrage if a violent 16 year old was restrained like this, nevermind a 3 year old...how strong could a 3 year old be? Was he continuously running way? I'm guessing the 3 year old won't remember any of this one day but mom is likely to get a million dollar settlement out of this (taking away more money from BPS to go to one family) ..i guess it pays to go to free daycare.

[id77]

Originally Posted by msRB311

I have to wonder why the city/BPS thought it would be a good idea to implement this type of program. The schools are in bad enough 'health' and surely money used towards taking care of 3/4 year olds all day (and clearly not very good care) could have been used towards something else...like making things better for kids actually LEARNING...but instead it seems like the city/BPS decided to go the route of free daycare...because that's what it is.

I've found it to actually be quite beneficial over traditional daycare. I'm sure some BPS schools are better about it than others, but my experience overall has been that my child is getting more education out of K1 than we ever did from daycare. They even give "homework" to the pre-schoolers in the form of additional reading/writing/etc activities kids do with their parents that we report back to the teacher on. There's a music program where children start practicing music and playing instruments. There's field trips to the museum.

My kid's daycare didn't do these types of activities.

[OutdoorLover]

I can see that these aren't the right measures to use, however, I will add, that I wouldn't want that job. I did teach, and enjoyed it, but those were college kids, a different ballgame.

[msRB311]

Originally Posted by id77

I've found it to actually be quite beneficial over traditional daycare. I'm sure some BPS schools are better about it than others, but my experience overall has been that my child is getting more education out of K1 than we ever did from daycare. They even give "homework" to the pre-schoolers in the form of additional reading/writing/etc activities kids do with their parents that we report back to the teacher on. There's a music program where children start practicing music and playing instruments. There's field trips to the museum.

My kid's daycare didn't do these types of activities.

but we're taking about K0 not K1.

and i'm sure many find it beneficial to not have to pay for daycare and can just send their kid to BPS for free at 3. My point was it isn't a good use of spending for everyone. Of course the parents using that service are probably loving it.

[id77]

Originally Posted by msRB311

but we're taking about K0 not K1.

and i'm sure many find it beneficial to not have to pay for daycare and can just send their kid to BPS for free at 3. My point was it isn't a good use of spending for everyone. Of course the parents using that service are probably loving it.

They can be, and often are, combined. My K1 (4yo) kid is in a class with K0 kids (3yo).

[prospectheightsresident]

Originally Posted by redplum33

From the wgbh link msRB311 posted:

"Superintendent Mary Skipper said in a statement to GBH that the incident is “deeply concerning" and that the district will continue to work with the student and family to give them any support they need to feel safe and continue in BPS."

The superintendent finds this "deeply concerning", so I doubt it was necessary.

Which, again, doesn't exactly say much. Even if it was necessary (again, not saying this was the case), I'd say it was still deeply concerning. The two concepts aren't mutually exclusive IMO.