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Seems obvious. We are having this discussion because a CPC MP is proposing December be officially declared Christian Heritage Month.
It's a perfect example of the traditional majority saying "us too!".
Oh. I'm reminded of the time I asked my mother why mothers got to have a mother's day and children didn't get to have a children's day. She said, "Every day is children's day."
Oh. I'm reminded of the time I asked my mother why mothers got to have a mother's day and children didn't get to have a children's day. She said, "Every day is children's day."
When I was young and my family talked about buying gifts for Christmas, Dad would say “It’s Christmas every day”, meaning times were so much better than when he was a boy growing up in poverty.
Oh. I'm reminded of the time I asked my mother why mothers got to have a mother's day and children didn't get to have a children's day. She said, "Every day is children's day."
Regardless, you won't be able to say I didn't warn you!
Not unless you accept the RC's dubious version of the RC's origins. The early Christians were just Christians.
As a Catholic, I believe Jesus made Peter the first Pope. I know the word “Pope” is not in the Bible.
But this discussion has come a long way from debating the evolution of the Tories.
Christianity *began* with Catholics. Catholics are the base Christian group.
I agree as an Anglican who believes in the Apostle’s Creed. One Holy, Catholic and Apostolic church. Unfortunately many prominent and growing evangelical churches like many Pentecostal, Baptist and non-denominational churches teach garbage like the RCC is demonic and they’re not real Christians. I don’t believe that, but I suspect a lot of the idiots pushing this “Christian identity” stuff do. I’ve met some of them. And I’ve definitely gotten too many of the Christian Heritage Party’s anti-Muslim leaflets in my junk mail
Yeah, this alternative history is getting confusing!
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
The early church was based in Jerusalem. So yes, there is alternative history going on. The early church gathered in small groups in private homes. Churches (meaning Christians) became known by their cities, as in "the group of Christians in Antioch" or "the group of Christians from the city of Rome." The word "catholic" simply means the universal nature of salvation offered by Jesus Christ as there was not exactly a thing such as denominations. Therefore no Catholic Church or Orthodox Church or Protestant church(es). They were simply Christians, followers of Jesus who even then had disagreements between themselves. There is a fascinating story of Paul making a trip to Jerusalem to take Peter to task about some of his ideas and Peter backing down. The church in Rome is as much or more Paul's church as Peter's. There is a tradition of Peter having come to Rome at some point but there is nothing in the Bible itself that supports that. Here is a link to a Catholic tract that admits this and follows that up with an exotic interpretation of verses referring to Babylon as being a code word for Rome. https://www.catholic.com/tract/was-peter-in-rome
There was only "the church," as in the spiritual unity of Christians, which is one of the things the Reformation pushed back on as there had always been those who took issue with the bishop of Rome elevating himself above all other bishops. The history of Christianity is not a straightforward line. There were disagreements and power struggles and differences in theology.
Scholars such as Francis A. Sullivan say that there was no single "bishop" of Rome until well after the year 150 AD, and that there was no papacy for the first three centuries. Sullivan "expressed agreement with the consensus of scholars that available evidence indicates that the church of Rome was led by a college of presbyters, rather than a single bishop, for at least several decades of the second century."[4]
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