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Old 11-24-2015, 04:43 PM
 
Location: cleveland
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Originally Posted by jbcmh81 View Post
Here are educational attainment numbers for all population 25 and over for the city, not the metro.


Less than High School
Columbus
2005: 59,472 13.4%
2014: 64,319 11.8%
Cincinnati
2005: 35,317 19.4%
2014: 25,594 13.1%
Cleveland
2005: 67,144 25.8%
2014: 56,409 22.6%


High School Graduate
Columbus
2005: 125,598 28.3%
2014: 134,106 24.6%
Cincinnati
2005: 54,615 30.0%
2014: 50,658 25.9%
Cleveland
2005: 98,632 37.9%
2014: 80,868 32.4%


Some College
Columbus
2005: 91,868 20.7%
2014: 119,387 21.9%
Cincinnati
2005: 30,220 16.6%
2014: 37,358 19.3%
Cleveland
2005: 48,405 18.6%
2014: 55,659 22.3%


Associates Degree
Columbus
2005: 27,072 6.1%
2014: 38,160 7.0%
Cincinnati
2005: 11,105 6.1%
2014: 14,278 7.3%
Cleveland
2005: 13,272 5.1%
2014: 17,222 6.9%


Bachelors Degree
Columbus
2005: 92,756 20.9%
2014: 122,113 22.4%
Cincinnati
2005: 29,674 16.3%
2014: 39,118 20.0%
Cleveland
2005: 20,559 7.9%
2014: 23,212 9.3%


Masters or Higher
Columbus
2005: 47,043 10.6%
2014: 67,053 12.3%
Cincinnati
2005: 21,118 11.6%
2014: 28,556 14.6%
Cleveland
2005: 12,231 4.7%
2014: 16,224 6.5%
It would be interesting to see a comparison between the counties and metro.

 
Old 11-25-2015, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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Millennials are moving to sprawl in cities which annexed it and offer it as an option like Columbus, Austin, etc. Exclusively? Of course not, but you'd have to be dishonest to say that they're all moving to the city part of these "cities" (suburban sprawl with a tiny urban center) and discounting the suburban areas which are receiving a percentage and thereby misconstruing the true number of Millennials moving to urban areas. Nowhere did I disregard my claim that they want to be in urban areas, it's just much easier to see how many are moving to a city that is all city vs one that is 4/5 sprawling suburb and 1/5 city like Columbus. Whether nearby Pittsburgh or the Upper Midwest with Minneapolis or Portland out on the West Coast they all rank in the top ten of cities with the highest ratios of Millennial populations and they're being chosen by Millennials despite not offering suburban sprawl.

As for where Millennials are moving to in a city-sprawl hybrid like Columbus we can look at tell-tale signs that are results of Millennials moving into an urban neighborhood. Lots of new residential development is certainly obvious, but not as obvious are: alternative transit options (note that over half of Millennials polled would consider moving to another city with better or more options for transportation and that it's ranks as a top three factor in where to decide to live meaning that Columbus performs poorly in this metric with over half of Millennials), third wave coffee shops, record stores, craft beer, bike parking, etc.

Suffice it to say, if an urban neighborhood isn't offering Millennials what most Millennials tend to want then it's very likely not highly populated by them. In cities like Portland and Minneapolis there are several neighborhoods all over the place which fit the above list and more. A brief look at Google Maps for different amenities like record stores in Portland, Minneapolis , and Columbus, or breweries in Columbus , Minneapolis, and Portland and you start to see where these amenities are overlapping and where they are absent and how much each city has. Click the "Bicycling" filter and you'll notice yet another glaring discrepancy among one of them.

Guess which one comes last in virtually every category? (hint: it's the largest in population and sq mi). In Columbus we see such Millennial amenities are also restricted to a much smaller area: German Village/Brewery District to Clintonville and newer areas like East Franklinton with LandGrant. Meanwhile the other two, which have all of their Millennials in an urban environment within their city boundaries and count none of those in the surrounding sprawling suburbs as their own, both have a much stronger presence of Millennial preferred amenities. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to notice how Columbus' urban footprint of these amenities is physically much smaller than the competition. Whereas Portland (NE, North, SE, and NW) and Minneapolis (South, NE, and SE) have large areas of entire sides of each city covered with amenities for Millennials, Columbus only offers the North as the lone large area with these amenities while virtually nothing for Millennials exists in much (or all) of it's NE, West, East, and South sides.

Not surprisingly, we see very little in the way of new residential development signaling demand from Millennials aside from that same small section of Columbus, but inversely we do see residential development on those aforementioned sides of the cities of Portland and Minneapolis to varying degrees due to demand in no small part to Millennials. There's no competition either when it comes to dense residential high-rises proving this demand exists: Portland has its the tallest residential tower, the John Ross Tower at 32 stories in 2008, along with with numerous others around 30 stories, Minneapolis has the tallest residential of the bunch with the Carlyle at 41 stories back in 2007 followed by LPM at 36 in 2014, Ivy Hotel and Residences at 25 in 2008, along with the previously mentioned Nic on 5th at 26 stories last year and 30 story 4 Marq this year, Columbus has the Miranova as the tallest residential building at 26 stories in the entire city since 2001 and only North Bank Tower came close in following years in those either constructed, under construction, or planned, especially when in Columbus' case, "As of July 2008, there are no new high-rise buildings under construction in Columbus." Keep in mind that Portland and Minneapolis already had several residential towers matching or besting Columbus' newest ones decades ago and have many more mid-rises to boot. The amount and scope of projects in Columbus simply doesn't match that of its smaller competitors. Clearly, the Millennials have been flocking to Minneapolis and Portland and dominate many sides of the city. As for Columbus, there's simply very little evidence of their presence at all and for being highly concentrated in such a small segment of urban Columbus their presence certainly hasn't resulted in a similarly concentrated number of tell tale Millennial amenities, which are also proof of Millennials being present.
Well, at least there aren't a bunch of white supremacists targeting black Ohioan millennials and shooting at them. I hear that's a thing in Minneapolis.
 
Old 11-25-2015, 07:12 AM
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jbcmh81 View Post
Here are educational attainment numbers for all population 25 and over for the city, not the metro.


Less than High School
Columbus
2005: 59,472 13.4%
2014: 64,319 11.8%
Cincinnati
2005: 35,317 19.4%
2014: 25,594 13.1%
Cleveland
2005: 67,144 25.8%
2014: 56,409 22.6%


High School Graduate
Columbus
2005: 125,598 28.3%
2014: 134,106 24.6%
Cincinnati
2005: 54,615 30.0%
2014: 50,658 25.9%
Cleveland
2005: 98,632 37.9%
2014: 80,868 32.4%


Some College
Columbus
2005: 91,868 20.7%
2014: 119,387 21.9%
Cincinnati
2005: 30,220 16.6%
2014: 37,358 19.3%
Cleveland
2005: 48,405 18.6%
2014: 55,659 22.3%


Associates Degree
Columbus
2005: 27,072 6.1%
2014: 38,160 7.0%
Cincinnati
2005: 11,105 6.1%
2014: 14,278 7.3%
Cleveland
2005: 13,272 5.1%
2014: 17,222 6.9%


Bachelors Degree
Columbus
2005: 92,756 20.9%
2014: 122,113 22.4%
Cincinnati
2005: 29,674 16.3%
2014: 39,118 20.0%
Cleveland
2005: 20,559 7.9%
2014: 23,212 9.3%


Masters or Higher
Columbus
2005: 47,043 10.6%
2014: 67,053 12.3%
Cincinnati
2005: 21,118 11.6%
2014: 28,556 14.6%
Cleveland
2005: 12,231 4.7%
2014: 16,224 6.5%
What's the source for these numbers?
 
Old 11-25-2015, 08:20 AM
 
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Originally Posted by WRnative View Post
What's the source for these numbers?
American FactFinder
 
Old 11-25-2015, 08:22 AM
 
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Well, at least there aren't a bunch of white supremacists targeting black Ohioan millennials and shooting at them. I hear that's a thing in Minneapolis.
Ironically, the white supremacists drove to the scene of the crime. Didn't even bother to use the bike lanes.
 
Old 11-25-2015, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Ironically, the white supremacists drove to the scene of the crime. Didn't even bother to use the bike lanes.
They probably weren't from the real part of the city, anyway.
 
Old 11-25-2015, 02:08 PM
 
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They probably weren't from the real part of the city, anyway.

If there isn't an organic kale juice hut within a 1 minute walk, obviously not.
 
Old 11-25-2015, 04:35 PM
 
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So since suburban sprawl was brought up, I started to try to measure low-density areas within each city. I've only done a handful so far, but this is what I did.


1. Looked up the densities of census block groups within each city boundary.
2. Used a base density of 2500 people per square mile. I used this because I have seen it referenced before as the starting point for where low density begins.
3. Divided the population of these low density blocks with their recorded density to get their square miles.
4. I added up all the square miles from those blocks to come up with a total.


Here were the results.


Total Block Groups with a Density Below 2500 PPSM
Columbus: 67
Cincinnati: 58
Cleveland: 41

Total Square Miles with Density Below 2500 PPSM
Columbus: 62.460
Cincinnati: 41.722
Cleveland: 25.663

Total Square Miles, Less Water, for Each City
Columbus: 217.17
Cincinnati: 77.94
Cleveland: 77.70

% of Total City Area Composed of Density Below 2500 PPSM
Cincinnati: 53.53%
Cleveland: 33.03%
Columbus: 28.76%

So Columbus actually has the smallest % of its city boundary with low density areas.


But wait, what about Minneapolis, one might ask?


Out of its 57.94 square miles, 13.664 were low density. That equates to 25.32%, statistically not very different than Columbus. Interestingly enough, you would think that, for a much smaller city boundary that should just include a basic urban core, almost none of the land would be low density. Instead, more than a quarter is. I can't imagine the low density we'd see in Minneapolis if its boundaries were the size of Columbus'.
 
Old 11-25-2015, 09:02 PM
 
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Originally Posted by jbcmh81 View Post
So since suburban sprawl was brought up, I started to try to measure low-density areas within each city. I've only done a handful so far, but this is what I did.


1. Looked up the densities of census block groups within each city boundary.
2. Used a base density of 2500 people per square mile. I used this because I have seen it referenced before as the starting point for where low density begins.
3. Divided the population of these low density blocks with their recorded density to get their square miles.
4. I added up all the square miles from those blocks to come up with a total.


Here were the results.


Total Block Groups with a Density Below 2500 PPSM
Columbus: 67
Cincinnati: 58
Cleveland: 41

Total Square Miles with Density Below 2500 PPSM
Columbus: 62.460
Cincinnati: 41.722
Cleveland: 25.663

Total Square Miles, Less Water, for Each City
Columbus: 217.17
Cincinnati: 77.94
Cleveland: 77.70

% of Total City Area Composed of Density Below 2500 PPSM
Cincinnati: 53.53%
Cleveland: 33.03%
Columbus: 28.76%

So Columbus actually has the smallest % of its city boundary with low density areas.


But wait, what about Minneapolis, one might ask?


Out of its 57.94 square miles, 13.664 were low density. That equates to 25.32%, statistically not very different than Columbus. Interestingly enough, you would think that, for a much smaller city boundary that should just include a basic urban core, almost none of the land would be low density. Instead, more than a quarter is. I can't imagine the low density we'd see in Minneapolis if its boundaries were the size of Columbus'.
Low density can be caused by the presence of parks and cultural areas, which is a positive thing.

Didn't we see in some thread that Cincinnati has a large number of parks resulting in a very high rating for its park system? Columbus was very low, if I remember correctly.

Personally, the cause of densities is important. Think Central Park in NYC.
 
Old 11-25-2015, 09:20 PM
 
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Low density can be caused by the presence of parks and cultural areas, which is a positive thing.

Didn't we see in some thread that Cincinnati has a large number of parks resulting in a very high rating for its park system? Columbus was very low, if I remember correctly.

Personally, the cause of densities is important. Think Central Park in NYC.
NYC doesn't have a density problem, though. I always kind of laugh, though, because density threads that involve Cincy always end up talking about parks and hills. Maybe the real issue is that it's just not as dense as people believe... you know, like Minneapolis. BTW, using blocks would mitigate issues with geographical or manmade features since they are so small.
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