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Old 02-03-2022, 11:06 AM
 
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https://nypost.com/2022/02/02/karen-...p-john-okeefe/

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local...-bail/2633230/


I have to admit when this story first came out I figured the girlfriend was going to come out and say something like they'd been fighting, he got violent and she hit him with the car in self defense. As the story is unfolding that doesn't seem to be the case and it is being presented as a terrible accident.

It's pretty obvious they were both drunk...her friends said she still seemed drunk that morning....but that will never be able to be proven or even mentioned in court because she didn't take the breathalyzer or get a blood test by the sound of it.

I have so many questions in this as it just doesn't seem at all normal to run over your boyfriend with your vehicle and have no idea that you did it! It seems like her lawyer is trying to really play this down by saying there is no criminal intent and that her even being accused of manslaughter is a reach. Um she hit him with the car and left him there to die. Whether she realized she did it or not shouldn't matter.

I just feel really bad for the cop's family. They had already lost his sister, then her husband and their kids without parents. He apparently adopted them and raised them.

It doesn't seem like she had reason to kill him but arguments can get heated particularly when drinking and maybe she went nuts...or maybe i watch too much investigation discovery...but it's hard for me to wrap my head around how you could be so drunk that you hit your boyfriend with your car and not realize it. I was thinking she was mad that he wanted to go to a friends house at 12:45am and she didn't.

I also have looked at pics of the house she dropped him off in front of and it's hard to understand how she hit him with such force. If the passenger side of the car was facing the house all he really had to do was get out of the car and he was on the sidewalk. If the car had the driver side facing the house then it sounds like he got out of the car walked around the front and she immediately took off smashing into him. His injuries aren't all that consistent with being hit by a car. He had bloody lacerations on his arms and on the back of his head. The eyes swollen shut and skull fractures make sense if she ran his head over...but if was walking by the car and she hit him I would think it would really just be his lower body that was impacted.

I don't know that the whole truth will ever be know....it does seem like it's going to turn out to just be her words, her lawyers and a few witnesses. He's dead so he can't tell his side.

The lawyer tried to get her bail to 5k not 50k. I was glad the judge wouldn't allow it...I feel like she is getting off kind of easy by being out on bail...50k is probably not that much to her.

I've read a few articles where people have commented saying she shouldn't be prosecuted and he is as much to blame being a cop. I think they seem to be kind of old to be going out and getting drunk in a snowstorm and driving...but they also seem to have had sad lives and alcohol is used to numb pain. Not saying this is right...but sounds like alcohol got the better of them. I just dont know how anyone could say she shouldnt be prosecuted.
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Old 02-03-2022, 01:54 PM
 
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Am I the only one in this country that doesn't drink to access?
I am so tired of hearing this stuff.

People know what drugs and alcohol do, but they indulge anyway, insisting the side effects don't affect them negatively.
The next thing you know, they kill someone. After that it's "boo-hoo, poor me. I meant no harm."
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Old 02-03-2022, 02:34 PM
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https://nypost.com/2022/02/02/karen-...p-john-okeefe/

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local...-bail/2633230/


I have to admit when this story first came out I figured the girlfriend was going to come out and say something like they'd been fighting, he got violent and she hit him with the car in self defense. As the story is unfolding that doesn't seem to be the case and it is being presented as a terrible accident.

It's pretty obvious they were both drunk...her friends said she still seemed drunk that morning....but that will never be able to be proven or even mentioned in court because she didn't take the breathalyzer or get a blood test by the sound of it.

I have so many questions in this as it just doesn't seem at all normal to run over your boyfriend with your vehicle and have no idea that you did it! It seems like her lawyer is trying to really play this down by saying there is no criminal intent and that her even being accused of manslaughter is a reach. Um she hit him with the car and left him there to die. Whether she realized she did it or not shouldn't matter.

I just feel really bad for the cop's family. They had already lost his sister, then her husband and their kids without parents. He apparently adopted them and raised them.

It doesn't seem like she had reason to kill him but arguments can get heated particularly when drinking and maybe she went nuts...or maybe i watch too much investigation discovery...but it's hard for me to wrap my head around how you could be so drunk that you hit your boyfriend with your car and not realize it. I was thinking she was mad that he wanted to go to a friends house at 12:45am and she didn't.

I also have looked at pics of the house she dropped him off in front of and it's hard to understand how she hit him with such force. If the passenger side of the car was facing the house all he really had to do was get out of the car and he was on the sidewalk. If the car had the driver side facing the house then it sounds like he got out of the car walked around the front and she immediately took off smashing into him. His injuries aren't all that consistent with being hit by a car. He had bloody lacerations on his arms and on the back of his head. The eyes swollen shut and skull fractures make sense if she ran his head over...but if was walking by the car and she hit him I would think it would really just be his lower body that was impacted.

I don't know that the whole truth will ever be know....it does seem like it's going to turn out to just be her words, her lawyers and a few witnesses. He's dead so he can't tell his side.

The lawyer tried to get her bail to 5k not 50k. I was glad the judge wouldn't allow it...I feel like she is getting off kind of easy by being out on bail...50k is probably not that much to her.

I've read a few articles where people have commented saying she shouldn't be prosecuted and he is as much to blame being a cop. I think they seem to be kind of old to be going out and getting drunk in a snowstorm and driving...but they also seem to have had sad lives and alcohol is used to numb pain. Not saying this is right...but sounds like alcohol got the better of them. I just dont know how anyone could say she shouldnt be prosecuted.

The Lexus SUV had a broken tail light and scratches on the bumper, so I'd surmise she backed into him. Either she was too drunk to know, and/or not in the habit of watching when backing up like 90% of drivers in any grocery store parking lot, and/or the rear window was covered with snow, dirt, and salt like every other SUV in New England this time of year and she couldn't see squat. His head could have impacted the SUV or the ground face-first, or she could have hit him again with the tire. Between being drunk, vomiting, and being hypothermic, he could have easily died even if his head injury was minor (doubt). An autopsy and forensic accident reconstruction are going to sort this out pretty quickly.
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Old 02-03-2022, 02:40 PM
 
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It's hard to understand that she backed into a 200lb man and didnt know it....but if she was blacked out I guess that'll do it.

The autopsy was already done. he had a fractured skull, something about his pancreas was red which indicates being out in the cold for a while as well. What i find weird are the bloody lacerations he had on his arms. A broken cocktail glass was found at the scene also.

Just sounds like a wild night that really went too far.
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Old 02-03-2022, 03:26 PM
 
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Is it possible that maybe she dropped him off, but in his drunken condition, he fell and passed out, and then someone else ran over him, not seeing him in the snow?
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Old 02-03-2022, 04:08 PM
 
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She has a broken taillight that wasn’t there before which indicates she backed into him. She was also seen on a doorbell surveillance camera in the act which led to her arrest. Plus she said to other people things like did I hit him is he dead and said to paramedics and firefighters I hit him I hit him. But the most damning evidence is the broken taillight and doorbell surveillance footage. If another car was involved I think that would have been brought up by now.
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Old 02-03-2022, 05:49 PM
 
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She has a broken taillight that wasn’t there before which indicates she backed into him. She was also seen on a doorbell surveillance camera in the act which led to her arrest. Plus she said to other people things like did I hit him is he dead and said to paramedics and firefighters I hit him I hit him. But the most damning evidence is the broken taillight and doorbell surveillance footage. If another car was involved I think that would have been brought up by now.
It is virtually certain that the Lexus SUV has a backup camera.
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Old 02-03-2022, 06:02 PM
 
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It is virtually certain that the Lexus SUV has a backup camera.
But does it record things ? I don’t think so. If you’re just saying she should have used the back up camera at the time well yeah that would been nice. But I don’t believe there’s recorded surveillance on suv camera that investigators could view.
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Old 02-03-2022, 07:14 PM
 
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So the dude passes out and she accidentally backs into him. People kill their kids accidentally all the time which is why we have backup cameras in the first place. For all you know, she thought he was standing somewhere else but when she was not looking, he stumbled over and passed out behind her car.
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Old 02-03-2022, 07:18 PM
 
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But does it record things ? I don’t think so. If you’re just saying she should have used the back up camera at the time well yeah that would been nice. But I don’t believe there’s recorded surveillance on suv camera that investigators could view.
Yes, I wonder if she used the backup camera. I do not think it records.
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