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Yes, Rivian also sells electric delivery vans to Amazon and they recently announced that the contractual period of exclusivity for Amazon is ending and so they'll have the opportunity to offer these vans more widely, which should also help their bottom line. Rivian looks like they're going to make it as "the other" new American automaker beyond Tesla. A few other new companies like Lucid are kind of on the bubble right now.
wow, starting at $83k it is double cost to an equivalent ICE van with 1/3 the miles range... most small business will pass
We'll see. These vans are bigger than most of their competition, and while the range may be shorter, it's adequate to do the job. With much lower "fuel" costs, operating cost will be lower. And they have better ergonomics and better technology.
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wow, starting at $83k it is double cost to an equivalent ICE van with 1/3 the miles range... most small business will pass
In about 99% of the times they are driven 8 hours a day and sit at night, so can be charged while be loaded for the next day. The ICE "Brown" UPS Van gets 7.3 mpg and with the 30 gallon tank, range is only 220 miles. Assuming 150 miles a day driven, that's 20.5 gallons a day, at $4 costing them $82/day. With as many vans as they have the payback for that expensive EV Van is very short, much shorted than a typical private EV car. Small businesses probably won't spend the money but the big corporations with fleets of vans are the target customers.
In about 99% of the times they are driven 8 hours a day and sit at night, so can be charged while be loaded for the next day. The ICE "Brown" UPS Van gets 7.3 mpg and with the 30 gallon tank, range is only 220 miles. Assuming 150 miles a day driven, that's 20.5 gallons a day, at $4 costing them $82/day. With as many vans as they have the payback for that expensive EV Van is very short, much shorted than a typical private EV car. Small businesses probably won't spend the money but the big corporations with fleets of vans are the target customers.
For the smaller one though why not use an E-Transit? More flexible in size as not everyone needs even the smaller 500 Rivian. There's some nice features and the extra range would be a reason. But the E-Transit is about 30k less.
Well, that didn't take long - Rivian is cutting a deal with AT&T to supply electric vans to them now. They will begin with a pilot phase to get some experience with them in the new year.
Well, that didn't take long - Rivian is cutting a deal with AT&T to supply electric vans to them now. They will begin with a pilot phase to get some experience with them in the new year.
Maybe GM should have developed an electric Express/Savanah rather than spending money and resources on that stupid Hummer EV.
Yeah, of course everyone has different needs and priorities, but to me the Hummer is just excessive in all ways - size, weight, price, power. It does have some impressive capabilities, but when you ask - "Why do I need that?" there often aren't many good answers. I think they'll sell less than 2,000 of them this year.
There are a couple of other tip-top uses of EV vans - almost any service that goes from one residence location to another within a city or local metro area and returns at the end of the day to a fleet parking lot or garage. Things like home health care providers, shuttle on demand vans, cable TV / internet installers, even plumbers, electricians or HVAC techs that drive vans around the city from one home to the next.
No idea why the fascination on EVs but for accuracy, all vehicles are free falling in both wholesale and retail prices. The price drops are so fast that window stickers cannot keep up with the changes. Call, visit or contact the sellers (dealerships, sales…) for price negotiations.
Go on auto trader now and you’ll see the price drops LISTED on each page for vehicles in another attempt to motivate car buyers. For example, many $30k vehicles in mid November are now being priced at $25k and the listing shows the active weekly price drops to get to $25k. This is the online adverted prices, not the actual prices. Vans and compact sedans are dropping the most (on average percentage drops).
All these price droppings are not related to the Fed publicly hinting at rate drops in early 2024. Those rate drops are not indicators of a successful economy but a troubled economy. For planning, used car loans will still be double digits in 2024. Good luck shopping!
I know a few folks that have defaulted on their car payments and let it go to repo, mostly due to price drops.
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The December price free fall is ALL vehicles
