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I wonder if the person in this video is correct or not about EV's in NYC? If you are a NewYorker, please don't pay attention to the negative title and watch the entire video, then let us know the pros and cons pertaining only to EVs in NYC, and not the rest of the US.
Gonna be super popular places like NYC where there's no parking to take street parking for EV charging.
They'll eventually need to address neighborhood charging with real solution which is going to be expensive and not as convenient as people are hoping. A couple L2 trickle chargers blocking street parking obviously isn't going to work.
NYC is currently about the same as most other places in the US in regards to whether or not someone should get an EV--if you have charging where you park overnight, then it's great. It works quite well because of the rather short distances, low speeds, and stop-and-go driving. If you don't, then it's likely a hassle. This is a pretty simple rule to go by for at least th next few years with few caveats such as if you frequently tow large loads over long distances or live in a place with Fairbanks, AK-esque weather.
The only places in the US currently where EVs might be a good idea even without charging where you park overnight is in some parts of urban coastal California where there is a very high density of both DC fast chargers and level 2 public chargers including in employee parking coupled with lots of low speed stop and go driving and very moderate climate.
I don't see this really changing until towards the end of the decade when the vast majority of chargers and vehicles will supposedly be on NACS, vehicular heat pumps are commonplace, and EV fleet efficiency, range, and charging speeds are substantially up. It'll likely take about that long for the market of US households that can have dedicated charging to be saturated, so that works out pretty well.
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Gonna be super popular places like NYC where there's no parking to take street parking for EV charging.
They'll eventually need to address neighborhood charging with real solution which is going to be expensive and not as convenient as people are hoping. A couple L2 trickle chargers blocking street parking obviously isn't going to work.
What's blocking street parking in those pictures I posted? And in places like NYC, there's a significant number of residents who don't have cars at all.
What's blocking street parking in those pictures I posted? And in places like NYC, there's a significant number of residents who don't have cars at all.
Yea, NYC needs to work on vastly improving it's non-car infrastructure more than anything.
I'm also curious as to how much wireless charging will take off and how that affects things.
I heard about this...there are about 150Kish licensed 'taxi-ish' vehicles in the 5 boroughs including about 15Kish medallions and the mandate adopted last fall is to be ZEV in 6 years. if the average taxi driver books 70K miles per year (yuck, ALL city) then this places the fleet age at what? 5 years tops? mebbe 6 in a pinch? I can see it being done but the other part is fueling...very very few gas pumps in the city - Im betting less than 50 in manhatten, you have how many millions that use bus, train and cab as the surrogate for car...plus you have just how short of a million cars entering every damn day! yikes.
Since the TLC places rulz on the min temps of the car in the winter and max temps in the summer...at idle it can consume as much 'fuel' as its gas counterpart and given the congestion and no standing rules in place now, they can no longer sit and wait for a fare, they have to troll endlessly. (which of course means all the movies where the hitman just so happens to be the car the vic gets into - is hollywood!)
as long as people insist on surface transpo, this aint gonna end well.
It's a stupid policy that will bankrupt a lot of people who don't think before they jump in.
It's a huge disaster waiting to happen but not all NYers are dumb and desperate as many who are uninformed and IL prepared. Since they started luring uninformed people to buy Tesla and get them to be preapproved to drive for Uber in NYC, they've been selling a lot of Teslas here. NYC only grant a limited amount of Uber permits a year and buying a Tesla gets you a leg up without waiting. But it has been mixed so far for many Uber drivers. Some reports of Tesla Uber drivers down 4 hours a day to wait to charge and charge to drive for only 2-3 hours before having to charge again.
I took this photo, it is mine because this poor uber driver got locked out as the car went completely dead. Quite uninformed or risky to buy a Tesla Standard Range Model to go drive for yellow cab.
It's a stupid policy that will bankrupt a lot of people who don't think before they jump in.
It's a huge disaster waiting to happen but not all NYers are dumb and desperate as many who are uninformed and IL prepared. Since they started luring uninformed people to buy Tesla and get them to be preapproved to drive for Uber in NYC, they've been selling a lot of Teslas here. NYC only grant a limited amount of Uber permits a year and buying a Tesla gets you a leg up without waiting. But it has been mixed so far for many Uber drivers. Some reports of Tesla Uber drivers down 4 hours a day to wait to charge and charge to drive for only 2-3 hours before having to charge again.
I took this photo, it is mine because this poor uber driver got locked out as the car went completely dead. Quite uninformed or risky to buy a Tesla Standard Range Model to go drive for yellow cab.
So in the Tesla, like most cars, the locks are part of the 12 volt battery system so the main EV battery state of charge should have no impact on being locked out. I am guessing he left the key card in the car.
There are hardly any public chargers/superchargers in most downtown areas but has not been identified as a major issue.
NYC really is lacking. My jobs takes me all over the city almost daily, one of them I drive my Tesla. With the navi constantly in front of you, its very noticeable when you rarely see that red supercharger marker pop up. Not that I ever need them, but it’s noticeable.
If commercial endeavors like Uber and such are going to switch to EV, they will have to figure this out.
Other major cities in the world, including ones larger and with a denser core than NYC, have been able to shift to electric taxis at a rapid pace and without the issues. I think a large part of this stems from lack of research on the purchasers part. If you do not have a place to reliably charge when parked overnight, then you should not be getting an EV in the US right now. The combination of what is likely a decent proportion of people buying EVs in the NYC area for this purpose without knowing this then piles on to the public chargers that are available. A lack of consumer education on things like pre-conditioning batteries will also lead to this. People will figure this out eventually through trial and error and gradual growth of public chargers, but in the meantime, this is what we'll get for likely the next few years at least.
It's a stupid policy that will bankrupt a lot of people who don't think before they jump in.
It's a huge disaster waiting to happen but not all NYers are dumb and desperate as many who are uninformed and IL prepared. Since they started luring uninformed people to buy Tesla and get them to be preapproved to drive for Uber in NYC, they've been selling a lot of Teslas here. NYC only grant a limited amount of Uber permits a year and buying a Tesla gets you a leg up without waiting. But it has been mixed so far for many Uber drivers. Some reports of Tesla Uber drivers down 4 hours a day to wait to charge and charge to drive for only 2-3 hours before having to charge again.
I took this photo, it is mine because this poor uber driver got locked out as the car went completely dead. Quite uninformed or risky to buy a Tesla Standard Range Model to go drive for yellow cab.
There's hardly any superchargers in NYC.
Your picture seems to show an actual NYC Yellow Taxi, not an Uber. If that's the case, then it would have a central garage to go home to every night and the taxi company should have at least level 2 chargers to recharge overnight.
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