[drive carephilly]

Originally Posted by Arcenal813

Are the housekeepers at major hotels illegals? It never occurred to me that they were.
If so, how are they getting hired, if not under the table? Don't they have to fill out I-9 forms like everyone else? How do you fill out an I-9 form if you're illegal?

I suspect that most hotels and office buildings contract their cleaning out to a 3rd party. Plausible deniability. Stay at hotel in Pittsburgh where even the cleaning staff are in the union and everyone working there is white or black American with a few Eastern Europeans thrown in.

"we can't find people to work" is total nonsense. No, you just can't find people to work for $12 an hour and no benefits. There's not a real labor shortage. It's just a wage shortage.

[kyle19125]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

it's not this big hysterical sky falling mess the liberals are trying to make of it....

Hotels were busted in the Keys...almost 2 years ago....... for hiring contractors....that provided cleaners....at the time of course the news exaggerated

...not one hotel closed...every one of them were able to replace the illegals with legals....and back up and running

KEYS HOTELS LOSE STAFF TO LABOR INVESTIGATION

”recent federal investigation and indictment of contractors who hire foreign workers and get them jobs in American hotels and restaurants has led to crippling shortages at Florida Keys hotels and restaurants that rely on these workers.”

”A press release from the U.S. Department of Justice last week announced the federal indictment of “three men who operated labor-staffing companies in Florida with conspiracy to harbor non-resident aliens and induce them to remain in the country and with conspiracy to commit money laundering.”

”In other words, these labor-staffing companies are accused, but not yet convicted, of hiring illegal aliens who are not allowed to work in the United States, and getting them jobs in hotels and restaurants.”

https://keysweekly.com/42/help-neede...investigation/

The Keys are a microcosm of the Florida labor market, apples and oranges.

[kyle19125]

Originally Posted by drive carephilly

I suspect that most hotels and office buildings contract their cleaning out to a 3rd party. Plausible deniability. Stay at hotel in Pittsburgh where even the cleaning staff are in the union and everyone working there is white or black American with a few Eastern Europeans thrown in.

"we can't find people to work" is total nonsense. No, you just can't find people to work for $12 an hour and no benefits. There's not a real labor shortage. It's just a wage shortage.

Wrong suspicion. Chains like Marriott (all brands), Hilton (all brands), Westin (all brands) and others that are corporately owned locations hire and retain their own employees. In addition, Florida is overwhelmingly non-union in terms of hotel workers.

[Arcenal813]

Originally Posted by kyle19125

Wrong suspicion. Chains like Marriott (all brands), Hilton (all brands), Westin (all brands) and others that are corporately owned locations hire and retain their own employees. In addition, Florida is overwhelmingly non-union in terms of hotel workers.

I will say, when it comes to office building, I worked in two highrises owned by Highwoods in Orlando, and housekeeping was definitely contracted out to third party. Same with a more recent Cousins building.

I’ll have to do some reading about these hotel brands, and what their workaround is.

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by kyle19125

The Keys are a microcosm of the Florida labor market, apples and oranges.

it's just an example....can't you grasp that?

Hotels, restaurants, etc contact out...that was an example of it

[kyle19125]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

it's just an example....can't you grasp that?

Hotels, restaurants, etc contact out...that was an example of it

It is an example but a tiny one that won't apply largely to the large hotels and resorts in the major metros of Miami-Ft Lauderdale, Tampa Bay and Orlando. Can you grasp that? Your post was dismissive of a much larger picture.

[beachmouse]

Originally Posted by kyle19125

Wrong suspicion. Chains like Marriott (all brands), Hilton (all brands), Westin (all brands) and others that are corporately owned locations hire and retain their own employees. In addition, Florida is overwhelmingly non-union in terms of hotel workers.

The major hotel chains have very few remaining corporate-owned hotels- franchising lets them collect commissions on every room without the expenses of hotel operation.

You do get large hotel ownership groups, who will do things like own a Hampton Inn, a Holiday Inn Express, and a Sleep Inn right next to each other adjacent to the same highway exit ramp.

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by kyle19125

It is an example but a tiny one that won't apply largely to the large hotels and resorts in the major metros of Miami-Ft Lauderdale, Tampa Bay and Orlando. Can you grasp that? Your post was dismissive of a much larger picture.

it's the perfect example....

that's the way the ones working illegals try to get around it....contract it out

it's not that tiny....over 6 million people visit the Florida Keys every year

....and the total population of the Keys is only ~80,000

if every resident in the Keys worked for a hotel/restaurant....there wouldn't be enough employees to run the place

..and that's the point....the Keys relies heavily on outside labor....labor that does not live here

all the places you listed...their labor is local

business that want to get around hiring illegals....contract it out

and it's mostly not the large hotels and resorts

[drive carephilly]

The "whoever wants to come" is such classist garbage. Bernie Sanders knew this until 3 years ago when he got sent to reeducation camp.

Bernie in 2013: “It does not make a lot of sense to me to bring hundreds of thousands of those workers into this country to work for minimum wage and compete with Americans kids,”

It's always the college educated crowd who are protected by their layers of degrees and professional certifications who have no problem with mass immigration. Not only are they not threatened by people who will walk 800 miles to get to the border to mow lawns or prep food but they also directly benefit from getting those things at cut rate prices.

If the border was truly open and our airports were suddenly flooded with lawyers, engineers, accountants, doctors, nurses, etc. and all those wages got cut by 30% the chattering classes would be absolutely losing their minds. They'd immediately start talking about how all these workers flooding the market have substandard credentials and about how we need to protect American workers.

But when it comes to defending their neighbor working retail or hospitality it's "meh, *shrugs* drugs and alcohol will soothe your pain."

Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, absolutely do not put up with that. Their immigration systems are tailored to plug critical labor shortages while maintaining relatively high wages across all sectors - not to treat large swathes of their citizenry like they're disposable. Most of them also bring in a fairly high number of refugees but it's a part of the math. There's no need to issue a ton of visas for low-skill work when most of that is going to be filled by refugees anyway.

Originally Posted by kyle19125

Wrong suspicion. Chains like Marriott (all brands), Hilton (all brands), Westin (all brands) and others that are corporately owned locations hire and retain their own employees. In addition, Florida is overwhelmingly non-union in terms of hotel workers.

With supreme confidence you're citing the exception like it's the rule. Also, yes, non-union is an open door to 3rd party services.

[kyle19125]

Originally Posted by drive carephilly

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With supreme confidence you're citing the exception like it's the rule. Also, yes, non-union is an open door to 3rd party services.

Having actually worked in the hotel industry versus speculation, yes I am supremely confident. The major hotels in Orlando near Disney (Marriott, Hyatt, Hilton groups) are mostly corporately-owned properties as the parent companies in high profile locations typically want utmost control over standards of operation.