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Old 06-28-2020, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Security Guards have been deemed Would-Be Cops, and many are eager to make the transition from security guard to cop. They both are in love with power over others.

So there's one potential supply.

 
Old 06-28-2020, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Nebraska
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Why is this question. How many know that Detroit has a history of hiring former felon's for the police department. It going to happen in other city's also.
 
Old 06-28-2020, 06:05 PM
 
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Will cities with large minority populations have trouble staffing police departments?


They have been for a long time. That may be one reason why there are so many bad apples. They need all the cops they can get so they make questionable hires. According to this the problem started after the financial crisis when budget cuts were needed:
https://cops.usdoj.gov/RIC/Publicati...s-p199-pub.pdf
 
Old 06-28-2020, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Originally Posted by augiedogie View Post
There are news reports of several major cities having problems with large numbers of police resigning or refusing to show up for work. Will major cities in the future have serious problems staffing their police departments? What will be the result? Will more people leave these cities and then the financial problems of these cities worsen?

Personally I see more cities going the way of Detroit.
I reject the notion it has anything to do with race, which is what your title clearly states.
 
Old 06-28-2020, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Its too soon to say. Policing is a difficult job. I certainly wouldn't want to do it. It seems almost inevitable that police will fall back and be a little more hands off. In theory that could lead to more crime and middle/working class flight. But, many cities remain attractive places to live for the young and affluent.

Longer term, if there is some acceleration in police force turnover that might not be a bad thing. In many US cities, low income minority neighborhoods are often served by middle class whites police officers who live deep in the suburbs and have very little social connection to the areas they police. Having more officers from the local communities would almost certainly be a good thing.
do you have ANYTHING to back this up?
 
Old 06-28-2020, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Its not that easy unfortunately.


I believe the real problem is officers having the amount of authority they do, simply having THAT much authority, for long periods of time, has been proven to impact a persons mentality, (Stanford Prison Experiment), they had to stop the student experiment because the kids playing the guards were going off the deep end with their authority, they were abusing the other kids, it was really BAD, and these were only kids in an experiment!! Just imagine what a guy who has this amount of authority is effected, after 10-15 yrs?!
a 1 week experiment of 24 college students?

There are very few higher-stress jobs than LEO. It can be life or death. An ER doc or surgeon? Sure, somebody's life hangs in the balance, but generally the provider is in clear control of the patient (anesthesia, if nothing else). LEO are NOT in control of the situation either until they are by subduing, or the person they're called to see willingly complies.

Do a % - could be 5, could be 20 - of them show signs of psychologically being unable to handle that stress AND that responsibility? Of course they do. So the point is identifying them and either correcting them or getting rid of them appropriately - could be off the force/out of the business, could be more training.
 
Old 06-28-2020, 09:08 PM
 
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do you have ANYTHING to back this up?
All you have to do is look at just one city. Baltimore murder rates are way up after the BLM demands of less policing.

Spread that across the country and you easily have thousands more killed each year.
 
Old 06-28-2020, 09:10 PM
 
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do you have ANYTHING to back this up?
This is a little old. But in many cities a large share of the cops live outside the city. That is especially true of white officers. For example, in Detroit only 8 percent of white officers lived in the city.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...es-they-serve/

Some cities use a residency requirement to get a higher percent of it's officers living in the city.

It's also the case in many cities, the police forces are whiter than they city itself. For example Baltimore actually has more white officers than black officers despite the fact the city is like 3 to 1 black to white.
https://www.baltimoresun.com/marylan...7ji-story.html
 
Old 06-29-2020, 12:04 AM
 
Location: Arvada, CO
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Seattle is only about 7% Black/6.6% Hispanic and was already having a difficult time finding people to work for their police department.



This was from January, and last August, before the recent protests.


https://www.seattlepi.com/local/seat...g-15013842.php


https://durkan.seattle.gov/wp-conten...ort_vFinal.pdf

Look at some of their salaries though:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamand.../#78ecd1bbcb1a
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Old 06-29-2020, 01:10 AM
 
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I reject the notion it has anything to do with race, which is what your title clearly states.
Do you even watch the news?
Of course it is about race. Do you see any police officers attacked or threatened when they need to arrest or shoot a white person. Even if this happens the most in the US.

Do you see a police officer surrounded by angry people when they go into an area and try to arrest someone?
It is just one race that is demanding less policing. Complaining to many in jail since with more police the more chances of criminal caught.
Minority areas have a much higher crime rate so much more dangerous for police. According to FBI stats our minority population is many times more likely to commit a violent crime compared to whites or Asians.

With the way things are now they cannot even be sure if they are allowed to defend themselves. Much less try to catch criminals.
And since there will be more criminal that are now emboldened it will be much more dangerous for a cop.

And it is different in a black area. One of the worst things you can do is what just they call snitching.
So criminals are more safe there.

To other races they may not like snitching in some cases but it is not considered normal or the most important thing.
It is more important to keep their communities safe and killers of the streets. The main reason crimes have a much higher rate of being solved in a white area. They have help from the community and witnesses are much more likely to consider it their duty and help the police. Leads from witnesses are a huge reason police solve crimes.

This is just part of their culture. Plenty of studies and reports done that document this. And if you talk to any police officer white or black they will confirm.

And polls show even most black people dont want to live in a black area since the schools decline and the high crime rate.

And you think it makes no difference to cop which area he would choose to work in?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/baltimore...lice-clearance
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