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Like I said before, Try the P3AT. Not the sexiest pistol, but it is very small and thin. I have the first generation and did a little work to it so it is very reliable. Ive carried it around in my pocket so long that the slide looks like chrome (originally painted black). Of course it is not a combat pistol but that is not what you are looking for either. Im not a fan of caring around a cocked pistol in my pocket so I have a piece of 80 grit sand paper glued to the top of the slide so I can palm rack it. Other wise it is just way to slick to grab.
Thank you, we just got back from our 3 month stay in the Philippines earlier this month so I am finally getting on this time zone, thus I will start looking for a new carry next month and that one is on my list to check out.
Like I said before, Try the P3AT. Not the sexiest pistol, but it is very small and thin. I have the first generation and did a little work to it so it is very reliable. Ive carried it around in my pocket so long that the slide looks like chrome (originally painted black). Of course it is not a combat pistol but that is not what you are looking for either. Im not a fan of caring around a cocked pistol in my pocket so I have a piece of 80 grit sand paper glued to the top of the slide so I can palm rack it. Other wise it is just way to slick to grab.
The P3AT is a DAO design. It is not "cocked". With a round in the chamber, the only way to make it go bang is to pull the trigger. Any pistol you carry on you should be in a holster, including those carried in the pocket. With the right holster, the trigger is covered and the holster will remain in your pocket when you draw the weapon. Like many others, I can only shake my head at your sandpaper idea. Without a round in the chamber you are just carrying an expensive paperweight. If you're going to carry, you need to understand your pistol and get to the point you can safely and confidently carry it with a round in the chamber. I'm retired military and LE, and with both it was SOP to carry with a round in the chamber. That's how the pros do it.
The P3AT is a DAO design. It is not "cocked". With a round in the chamber, the only way to make it go bang is to pull the trigger. Any pistol you carry on you should be in a holster, including those carried in the pocket. With the right holster, the trigger is covered and the holster will remain in your pocket when you draw the weapon. Like many others, I can only shake my head at your sandpaper idea. Without a round in the chamber you are just carrying an expensive paperweight. If you're going to carry, you need to understand your pistol and get to the point you can safely and confidently carry it with a round in the chamber. I'm retired military and LE, and with both it was SOP to carry with a round in the chamber. That's how the pros do it.
You dont understand the purpose of the pocket pistol due to your LE and Mill experience.
It is not a combat weapon. It is a last line of defense after running away fails weapon. It is a weapon that the casual visual search wont find. The OP understands exactly what he wants. Id be willing to bet his PI experience makes him a much better judge of what he needs for self defense than most Americans. I lived there too. I know exactly what it is like.
It is my preference to carry without a round in the chamber. Our wall of shame at the range is full of people who shot themselves in the leg or butt. The vast majority were either LE or Millitary by the way. Neither title, rank or badge make you a professional. Being Professional makes you a Professional. It is something you earn. Not some title someone gives you.
I win a good 75% of the ccw shoots I go to with my little P3AT. Unchambered and in my pocket.
he will do nothing of the kind, because he has never shot at anything but soda cans, and very little of that with that little pc of crap keltec. and just because a 380 can EVENTUALLY result in death does not make it worth a hoot. If you shoot a few critters with it, you will know that is a fact. Forcing yourself to have to cycle the slide is just retarded. A DAO gun is completely safe with a rd chambered.
But im willing to bet you wont let your wife (or anyone else) take a shot at you with it.
Are you a professional too?
By the way. Ive seen people hit with 12.5mm and have their legs or arms taken off and it still didnt immediately knock them out of the fight.
More cops are killed by .380 than any other round. 22lr is the biggest killer too.
If you want to talk incapication, .380 is just a 2 percentage points lower than 45ACP.
The DOJ report says he same thing. So do others. Then again there are many that say the opposite.
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