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Old 07-29-2021, 09:52 PM
 
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https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle...=3536220&faf=1


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"We've gone through a few mutations already that have been named, and each one of them gets a little more transmissible," he (Dr Nelson) said. "That's normal, natural selection and what you would expect to happen as viruses mutate from one strain to another."


"What we've mostly seen this virus do is evolve to become more infectious," said Stuart Ray, MD, when also asked to comment. "That is the remarkable feature of Delta — that it is so infectious."

This is without a doubt the most frightening article that I have read since the Pandemic started. Much more frightening than my original COVID post 3/20/2020


https://www.city-data.com/forum/curre...ce-thread.html


I am not talking about vaccines, this is about this virus and it's ability to change and mutate rapidly.



I am certainly not talking about politics and the CDC.



I know, and respect, both Drs Nelson and their Institutions. To me, this Medscape article is a wake up call and deserves reading and respecting!
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Old 07-29-2021, 10:32 PM
 
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With naturally occurring viruses, mutations often result in less transmissible (and less deadly) offspring.
Delta may be an exception to the rule.
Or, it may be further proof that this virus was engineered in the Wuhan Virology Institute.
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Old 07-29-2021, 10:57 PM
 
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With naturally occurring viruses, mutations often result in less transmissible (and less deadly) offspring.
Delta may be an exception to the rule.
Or, it may be further proof that this virus was engineered in the Wuhan Virology Institute.

Either is possible. Or, a combination of both. My opinion is that it was manufactured at the lab and escaped accidentally (Pandora's Box)


Lambda looks much worse

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Old 07-30-2021, 01:34 AM
 
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This is not news to me. It is exactly what Geert Vanden Bossche was warning the world about starting in March 2021. The difference is that Vanden Bossche explains exactly how the misguided current strategy is the cause of the variants in the numerous papers on his website.

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/

https://mcusercontent.com/92561d6ded...en_Bossche.pdf

Also please see my past posts on this topic for more details.
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Old 07-30-2021, 05:18 AM
 
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With naturally occurring viruses, mutations often result in less transmissible (and less deadly) offspring.
Delta may be an exception to the rule.
Or, it may be further proof that this virus was engineered in the Wuhan Virology Institute.
Except that those viruses (natural or otherwise) that persist and survive are the ones that are most successful at transmission. As long as we have a substantial population of unvaccinated people we can expect that mutation factory to produce more variants and the more infectious of those to spread.
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Old 07-30-2021, 05:56 AM
 
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Either is possible. Or, a combination of both. My opinion is that it was manufactured at the lab and escaped accidentally (Pandora's Box)

Lambda looks much worse
The variant that punches through our vaccines apparently is Lambda. Personally I think I am done with getting vaccinated. I got jabbed because I believed that doing so would prevent me from getting really ill from covid and would help end the pandemic. If it best it gives you a few months of protection and nothing more I don't see the point. For me the risk of all these booster shots doing something we are not aware of yet becomes a bigger possibility.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...dangerous.aspx


The Lambda variant

The Lambda variant belongs to the C.37 lineage, which has been newly designated as a VOI on June 14, 2021, by WHO. This variant is predominantly spreading in South American countries that include Chile, Peru, Argentina, and Ecuador. According to the Global Initiative on Sharing All Influenza Data (GISAID) database, the Lambda variant has been reported in 26 countries worldwide.

The rate of vaccination has been notably high in Chile. A recent study conducted in Chile has shown that around 60% of the population have received at least a single dose of the COVID-19 vaccine. Recently, during the spring of 2021, a rapid surge in COVID-19 cases was observed in Chile. This is because the Lambda variant is capable of escaping the immune responses induced via vaccination.
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Old 07-30-2021, 05:59 AM
 
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Except that those viruses (natural or otherwise) that persist and survive are the ones that are most successful at transmission. As long as we have a substantial population of unvaccinated people we can expect that mutation factory to produce more variants and the more infectious of those to spread.
The CDC internal memo released by the NYT today says vaccinated and unvaccinated people equally spread the virus.

Infections in vaccinated Americans also may be as transmissible as those in unvaccinated people, the document said, and lead more often to severe illness.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/health/covid-cdc-delta-masks.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20210730&ins tance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=headline®i_id=93373739&segment_id=64839& user_id=fc8e30aead5108a840879f8842c7b504
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Old 07-30-2021, 06:44 AM
 
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The CDC internal memo released by the NYT today says vaccinated and unvaccinated people equally spread the virus.

Infections in vaccinated Americans also may be as transmissible as those in unvaccinated people, the document said, and lead more often to severe illness.
That's not what that means. They may be capable once infected of being equally able to spread the virus. However, that doesn't mean the vaxxed are spreading the virus as much as the unvaxxed unless infection rates are the same between vaxxed and unvaxxed which I've seen no data to support.
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Old 07-30-2021, 07:09 AM
 
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However, that doesn't mean the vaxxed are spreading the virus as much as the unvaxxed unless infection rates are the same between vaxxed and unvaxxed which I've seen no data to support.
In UK the ratio is 12:13 last report, in Singapore the ratio is already skewed toward more infections amongst those with the mitigative shots than those without.

The UK expects the ratio to skew in a few days or weeks.

That's just one factor, among many.

Point is, though, by now it is clear that the mitigative shots provide dubious and waning protection against infection, though so far apparently still highly effective against hospitalization and death.

So there's that too.

Good Luck!
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Old 07-30-2021, 07:21 AM
 
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The CDC internal memo released by the NYT today says vaccinated and unvaccinated people equally spread the virus.

Infections in vaccinated Americans also may be as transmissible as those in unvaccinated people, the document said, and lead more often to severe illness.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/health/covid-cdc-delta-masks.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20210730&ins tance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=headline®i_id=93373739&segment_id=64839& user_id=fc8e30aead5108a840879f8842c7b504

The CDC said that infections with the Delta variant lead more often to severe illness. That fact was already known, and has nothing to do with whether the infection was in or came from a vaccinated person with a breakthrough case.
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