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Old 04-12-2014, 08:50 AM
 
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Probably for the same reason why there is a significant community of illegal immigrants from the Republic of Ireland, Ukraine, Poland, and Russia
Mexican.

It's because they can. We don't do anything about it.

 
Old 04-12-2014, 08:56 AM
 
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Mexican.

It's because they can. We don't do anything about it.
The bleeding heart Open Border crowd simply believes the answer to the whole world's problems is for everyone in the world to come illegally to the USA where the declining number of taxpayers will take good care of them all. We'll pay for their high birth rates, put them through college, give them food stamps to buy more food than they ever laid eyes on in their lives.

One real nice advanatage to claiming refugee status is that it comes with very generous welfare handouts right off the bat. And many of the refugees end up despising our culture like those asylees that tried to kill many thousands at the Boston Marathon, and many will never make an attempt to learn English and assimilate. Yes it's fine to be kind and want to take them all in --- but we're being overwhelmed.

Aren't there ANY other countries that can start taking some of these refugees?
 
Old 04-12-2014, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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...As for the crime stats of illegal aliens by ethnicity it would be reasonable to surmise that the group here in the largest numbers here illegally have the highest crime stats percentage wise...
If your argument was truly against (and limited to) all illegal aliens, their ethnicity would never enter in to your discussion...
 
Old 04-12-2014, 12:20 PM
 
Location: NoVA
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Why don't they work to fix their own country?

Like it or not, the USA cannot take in all the people of the world and with as many unemployed people here, it's time to get Americans back to work.
I don't disagree with your assessment, but I was trying to answer the OP.
 
Old 04-12-2014, 12:22 PM
 
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Yes, and no one has said otherwise. As for the crime stats of illegal aliens by ethnicity it would be reasonable to surmise that the group here in the largest numbers here illegally have the highest crime stats percentage wise. Remember that many have used fake or stolen ID's to work here or committed tax evasion by working under the table. Many of them just haven't been caught or convicted yet. In raw numbers Latinos make up 80% of those here illegally. But it is true that an illegal is an illegal no matter where they are from.

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If your argument was truly against (and limited to) all illegal aliens, their ethnicity would never enter in to your discussion...
That's exactly right. But Oldglory has trouble admitting that. The opposition to illegal immigration is not, nor has it ever been, strictly a legal issue. It's a convenient out for those who lack the courage to be intellectually honest.
 
Old 04-12-2014, 12:38 PM
 
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That's exactly right. But Oldglory has trouble admitting that. The opposition to illegal immigration is not, nor has it ever been, strictly a legal issue. It's a convenient out for those who lack the courage to be intellectually honest.
Of course it's not. If liberals really gave a hoot about the environment, they wouldn't want to import billions of very impoverished people with sky high birth rates and reward them with welfare handouts and easy citizenship just for getting here and having babies they can't afford.

And if liberals really cared about jobs and better wages for American citizens, particular those living in the inner cities with high unemployment rates, they wouldn't be trying to entice millions of ultra cheap workers to come here and grab up jobs.

And think of the poor taxpayer who is being destroyed with soaring property tax rates because the schools are packed full with foreign students who need tons of extra services like free meals and cannot learn English.

And the hospitals with ridiculous ER waits because illegals pack them for their completely free health care.

We're more and more the flop house of the world. Have kids you can't afford -- come to the USA. Drop out of school in your own country so your opportunities are limited -- come to the USA.
 
Old 04-12-2014, 01:43 PM
 
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Of course it's not. If liberals really gave a hoot about the environment, they wouldn't want to import billions of very impoverished people with sky high birth rates and reward them with welfare handouts and easy citizenship just for getting here and having babies they can't afford.

And if liberals really cared about jobs and better wages for American citizens, particular those living in the inner cities with high unemployment rates, they wouldn't be trying to entice millions of ultra cheap workers to come here and grab up jobs.

And think of the poor taxpayer who is being destroyed with soaring property tax rates because the schools are packed full with foreign students who need tons of extra services like free meals and cannot learn English.

And the hospitals with ridiculous ER waits because illegals pack them for their completely free health care.

We're more and more the flop house of the world. Have kids you can't afford -- come to the USA. Drop out of school in your own country so your opportunities are limited -- come to the USA.
First, I would urge you to rid your mind of the liberal/conservative, left/right paradigm that both parties have you trapped in. Conservatives in power have done no more than liberals to protect our borders, lower our taxes, or improve our wages. The only difference between the two corporate parties is essentially their rhetoric.

Second, I'd like you to consider the illegal immigrants you just described(impoverished, on welfare, sky high birth rates, kids who need free meals, can't learn English, taking free health care). What percentage of European illegals do you think fit that mold? Canadians? Be honest.
 
Old 04-12-2014, 03:37 PM
 
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Yes, and no one has said otherwise. As for the crime stats of illegal aliens by ethnicity it would be reasonable to surmise that the group here in the largest numbers here illegally have the highest crime stats percentage wise. Remember that many have used fake or stolen ID's to work here or committed tax evasion by working under the table. Many of them just haven't been caught or convicted yet. In raw numbers Latinos make up 80% of those here illegally. But it is true that an illegal is an illegal no matter where they are from.
Yes, I agree that an illegal is an illegal no matter where they are from. But, here's the problem. No matter how many times you say it, you DO care about their ethnicity as well. If it was 100% only about their legal status, why would their ethnicity matter? Why would ethnicity even enter into the discussion? It's always the same with you. You dismiss every claim of ethnocentrist accusations made by others, but in almost every single one of your posts, cultural or ethnic xenophobia always enters into your posts. Do you see why nobody believes you when you say you aren't racist? Wait, of course you don't, because you always bang on about ethnicity and culture.


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Why don't they work to fix their own country?

Like it or not, the USA cannot take in all the people of the world and with as many unemployed people here, it's time to get Americans back to work.
Sure, let's ask the North Korean people why don't they just fix their own country? That is not an intellectually honest answer. It's easy to be an armchair rebel when you're not the one who has guns pointed at your head and the heads of your family members

And, if you knew anything about Asian culture, they have very conformist societies. Their societies are not conducive toward "rebel" causes or feelings
 
Old 04-12-2014, 03:38 PM
 
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If your argument was truly against (and limited to) all illegal aliens, their ethnicity would never enter in to your discussion...
I wasn't the one who initially brought ethnicity into this discussion, you did.
 
Old 04-12-2014, 03:55 PM
 
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Yes, I agree that an illegal is an illegal no matter where they are from. But, here's the problem. No matter how many times you say it, you DO care about their ethnicity as well. If it was 100% only about their legal status, why would their ethnicity matter? Why would ethnicity even enter into the discussion? It's always the same with you. You dismiss every claim of ethnocentrist accusations made by others, but in almost every single one of your posts, cultural or ethnic xenophobia always enters into your posts. Do you see why nobody believes you when you say you aren't racist? Wait, of course you don't, because you always bang on about ethnicity and culture.




Sure, let's ask the North Korean people why don't they just fix their own country? That is not an intellectually honest answer. It's easy to be an armchair rebel when you're not the one who has guns pointed at your head and the heads of your family members

And, if you knew anything about Asian culture, they have very conformist societies. Their societies are not conducive toward "rebel" causes or feelings
I don't say anything different than any other anti-illegals do in here and that is that the reason the focus is on Mexicans/Latinos is because they are here by far in the largest numbers illegally yet we still want all illegals out of our country. It is also a fact that Hispanics are their biggest cheer leaders. Facts are racism but putting one's ethnic group above our immigration laws, isn't? How odd that you only chose to single me out for your personal attacks though.
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