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Old 11-06-2015, 06:37 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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No it is not. Moses's writings and teachings are not in the Talmud as it is written in the Sacred Tur'rh (Torah).



The phrase 'Son(s) of...' denotes the passing of genetics from father to child. It is in all the sacred scriptures. Matrilineality is a by-product of false teachings.
Actually Matrilineality comes from a commentary that while a man can have multiple wives, a woman cannot have multiple husbands. This was done so the child would know who his father was. This is one aspect of Judaism that gives Matrilineality control instead of Patrilineality.
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Old 11-06-2015, 06:48 AM
 
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Clearly, your position is driven by your not being Jewish, let alone Orthodox. There is nothing wrong with this, but it presents a rift which cannot be overcome, so there is no reason to continue the "yes", "no" back and forth.



Well, sometimes it can mean that...take I Chronicles 22:9--10 for example, or Job 1:6 or Psalms 2:7. Do those indicate the passing of genetic material from a father to a son? If you say "yes" then the rift is even wider.

No I don't practice Talmudic Judaism, however I am a Hebrew by blood, both by the lineages of my mother and father.

I've read those scriptures and see God set aside these men for purpose, like the man you all wish not to speak of. Show me where Yah has sent a lineage through the woman in any of the holy scriptures.
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Old 11-06-2015, 06:57 AM
 
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One is a Jew if he can trace his blood back to his mom who is Jewish. She is (or was) able to do the same. And so on. One is also a Jew if he can show proof of conversion. Tracing blood to anyone is irrelevant.
How is it irrelevant?...
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Old 11-06-2015, 06:59 AM
 
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Yes.
Then I would welcome this proof...
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Old 11-06-2015, 07:03 AM
 
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There's no concept in the Torah of being genetically Jewish. you are either halachically Jewish, or you are not. Why over complicate this with modern secular concepts?
I thought one had to descend from one of the folks that were present at Mt. Sinai when Moshe presented the Torah?...
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Old 11-06-2015, 07:05 AM
 
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those two aren't in conflict. If my mother converted according to Jewish law and had a child with a non-Jew, I am 100% Jewish with no connection to Sinai;iIf I converted I am 100% Jewish with no connection to Sinai. And in each case, I am in exile because there is no temple, no messiah and no ingathering of Jews.

Then you are stating that it is by faith and not necessarily by blood?...
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Old 11-06-2015, 07:05 AM
 
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Actually Matrilineality comes from a commentary that while a man can have multiple wives, a woman cannot have multiple husbands. This was done so the child would know who his father was. This is one aspect of Judaism that gives Matrilineality control instead of Patrilineality.
The aspect I'm speaking of is for example, a Hebrew or Jewish woman have a child by a gentile or other non-Israelite man that child cannot be a Hebrew (or Jew) by blood, particularly a male child. No question about that.

If a mother is a gentile or non-Israelite woman and the man a Hebrew (or Jew) than that child still have a bloodline lineage of being an Israelite, though it is not pure.
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Old 11-06-2015, 07:11 AM
 
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No I don't practice Talmudic Judaism, however I am a Hebrew by blood, both by the lineages of my mother and father.

I've read those scriptures and see God set aside these men for purpose, like the man you all wish not to speak of. Show me where Yah has sent a lineage through the woman in any of the holy scriptures.
I think that would be Rabbinic Judaism...
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Old 11-06-2015, 07:20 AM
 
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Then I would welcome this proof...
From the OT:

Isaiah Chapters 13 and 14

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I think that would be Rabbinic Judaism...
What's the difference?
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Old 11-06-2015, 07:24 AM
 
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What's the difference?
No such thing as Talmudic Judaism...
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