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Old 09-22-2019, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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As the title suggests I am advocating that we the USA should greatly increase immigration. America should triple its rate of immigration. Why?

1. To secure a better future for Americans

The addition of more American's would open up opportunities on all fronts for a better life. We have the benefit of a massive country. We don't need to give up any federal land to do this. We need to find a way to revitalize the rustbelt and those cities. If we had more immigration to the heartland we could turn back on the lights in Cleveland, Detroit, Milwaukee etc. We could have more options in great places to live, and an even stronger economy to do everything. We could have an even larger federal budget without having to increase taxes due to a larger population base. Imagine the things we could do in space if NASA had twice the budget? There is a reason that Canada loses its population to the USA. There is a reason that Europe cannot compete with us. It's because we are a larger better united body of people and we should capitalize on it.

2. To protect a better world order

America is a decently strong world power. However in the future age we will be competing against China & India. The Asian countries have a massive advantage considering that half of the world's population lives there. In order to ensure that we can compete in the new age on all fronts we should become an even larger.
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Old 09-22-2019, 04:38 PM
 
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I might agree that we could benefit from legal controlled merit-based immigration but you give no sound reasoning much less data to support your blanket assertions. Sure, more people means larger economy but not necessarily better economy. The govt might have larger revenues but also larger expenditures. You're only looking at one side of the coin. More people also means more pollution and greater strain on precious resources.



If size of population were the determining factor in world power then China and India would have been top dogs all along. It's not like we were larger than them 100 years ago and they have suddenly grown larger than us. And no amount of immigration is going to make us more populous than either of them in the next few hundred years.
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Old 09-22-2019, 06:48 PM
 
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As the title suggests I am advocating that we the USA should greatly increase immigration. America should triple its rate of immigration. Why?

1. To secure a better future for Americans

The addition of more American's would open up opportunities on all fronts for a better life. We have the benefit of a massive country. We don't need to give up any federal land to do this. We need to find a way to revitalize the rustbelt and those cities. If we had more immigration to the heartland we could turn back on the lights in Cleveland, Detroit, Milwaukee etc. We could have more options in great places to live, and an even stronger economy to do everything. We could have an even larger federal budget without having to increase taxes due to a larger population base. Imagine the things we could do in space if NASA had twice the budget? There is a reason that Canada loses its population to the USA. There is a reason that Europe cannot compete with us. It's because we are a larger better united body of people and we should capitalize on it.

2. To protect a better world order

America is a decently strong world power. However in the future age we will be competing against China & India. The Asian countries have a massive advantage considering that half of the world's population lives there. In order to ensure that we can compete in the new age on all fronts we should become an even larger.
Who are you . Let me guess ... Mark Zuckerberg ... Satya Nadella, Jeff Bezos, ... Larry Ellison some one from Walton family .. ... .. or some other billionaire who really wants to minimize their company's Salary expenses and whose kids will not have to look for jobs when they grow up right?
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Old 09-22-2019, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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As the title suggests I am advocating that we the USA should greatly increase immigration. America should triple its rate of immigration. Why?

1. To secure a better future for Americans

The addition of more American's would open up opportunities on all fronts for a better life. We have the benefit of a massive country. We don't need to give up any federal land to do this. We need to find a way to revitalize the rustbelt and those cities. If we had more immigration to the heartland we could turn back on the lights in Cleveland, Detroit, Milwaukee etc.
So much is wrong with this I don't know where to begin. First, the addition of productive Americans would be good. A large majority (75%?) of legal immigration is family related. Grandmas, cousin of the brother of someone etc. etc. I know for a fact the elderly almost always go on SSI. First hand knowledge abound. This is not being productive.

About revitalizing the rustbelt and other depressed regions. What makes you think they want to live there? In fact, they don't for the same reason you're not there. This would only work if you could exile new immigrants to work in the backwoods of Mississippi as a condition for their residency. Care to comment how you're going to do that?
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Old 09-23-2019, 09:44 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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I think the opposite: robots will take over much of the labor in the country. We don't need more people filling jobs those robots will just displace. We need selective immigration bringing in highly educated professionals.
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Old 09-23-2019, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I might agree that we could benefit from legal controlled merit-based immigration but you give no sound reasoning much less data to support your blanket assertions. Sure, more people means larger economy but not necessarily better economy. The govt might have larger revenues but also larger expenditures. You're only looking at one side of the coin. More people also means more pollution and greater strain on precious resources.



If size of population were the determining factor in world power then China and India would have been top dogs all along. It's not like we were larger than them 100 years ago and they have suddenly grown larger than us. And no amount of immigration is going to make us more populous than either of them in the next few hundred years.
Population is a major determining factor which is why there are only going to be 3 powerful countries in the future - USA, China & India. If population didn't matter then why is tiny Switzerland irrelevant? Why are Australia & New Zealand irrelevant? Why is Canada irrelevant? We have a much large mostly successful population and so we can use that to great advantage. Those weaker large population countries have figured out that capitalism works and they won't stay weak any longer. America needs to grow or become more irrelevant like the Europeans. Even they know that they are irrelevant which is why the want to form a United States of Europe so that they could compete.

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I think the opposite: robots will take over much of the labor in the country. We don't need more people filling jobs those robots will just displace. We need selective immigration bringing in highly educated professionals.
The size of the market is still the largest determining factor. The market is still really about selling stuff to humans. The amount of humans is what makes the USA such a great market. We all speak English, we all fall under the same government. It's much better than in most other places of the world that speak multiple languages and have many governments. And before I hear about the Latinos not speaking English, this is simply a blip. Latinos just like every form of immigrants before lose their language just like everyone else.
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Old 09-23-2019, 12:06 PM
 
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Population is a major determining factor which is why there are only going to be 3 powerful countries in the future - USA, China & India. If population didn't matter then why is tiny Switzerland irrelevant? Why are Australia & New Zealand irrelevant? Why is Canada irrelevant? We have a much large mostly successful population and so we can use that to great advantage. Those weaker large population countries have figured out that capitalism works and they won't stay weak any longer. America needs to grow or become more irrelevant like the Europeans. Even they know that they are irrelevant which is why the want to form a United States of Europe so that they could compete.
You need a sufficient population to develop a base of talent and resources but beyond that additional population doesn't add much. By the fact that we are the leading economic and military power, we obviously already have that base. If our 350 million is not enough to compete with China's 1.5 Billion, then us having 500 million isn't going to make a difference. And I'm not sure that we could even get to 500 million anytime soon as the entire population of Central America is less than 50 million. The entire Americas would be less than India or China.

You ignored to answer why China and India have not been superpowers all along since they have always been the most populated countries. Germany had enough population to conquer Europe twice, not to mention what Japan did.

You're clearly pushing an agenda and it isn't fooling anyone.
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Old 09-23-2019, 12:55 PM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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As the title suggests I am advocating that we the USA should greatly increase immigration. America should triple its rate of immigration. Why?

1. To secure a better future for Americans

The addition of more American's would open up opportunities on all fronts for a better life. We have the benefit of a massive country. We don't need to give up any federal land to do this. We need to find a way to revitalize the rustbelt and those cities. If we had more immigration to the heartland we could turn back on the lights in Cleveland, Detroit, Milwaukee etc. We could have more options in great places to live, and an even stronger economy to do everything. We could have an even larger federal budget without having to increase taxes due to a larger population base. Imagine the things we could do in space if NASA had twice the budget? There is a reason that Canada loses its population to the USA. There is a reason that Europe cannot compete with us. It's because we are a larger better united body of people and we should capitalize on it.

2. To protect a better world order

America is a decently strong world power. However in the future age we will be competing against China & India. The Asian countries have a massive advantage considering that half of the world's population lives there. In order to ensure that we can compete in the new age on all fronts we should become an even larger.
Since assimilation has been put on hold by your side, most would disagree with you. Preserving our culture is more important than a third worlder's desires.
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Old 09-23-2019, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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You need a sufficient population to develop a base of talent and resources but beyond that additional population doesn't add much. By the fact that we are the leading economic and military power, we obviously already have that base. If our 350 million is not enough to compete with China's 1.5 Billion, then us having 500 million isn't going to make a difference. And I'm not sure that we could even get to 500 million anytime soon as the entire population of Central America is less than 50 million. The entire Americas would be less than India or China.

You ignored to answer why China and India have not been superpowers all along since they have always been the most populated countries. Germany had enough population to conquer Europe twice, not to mention what Japan did.

You're clearly pushing an agenda and it isn't fooling anyone.
I did answer the question you just simply didn't read it, or refuse to acknowledge a simple point. I said that those countries all used crappy economic systems and now that they have gone capitalist it won't be easy anymore. And yes our 350 million is quickly getting overtaken by China just in case you didn't notice. There is a reason that we are considering competing with China which has a far lower gdp per capita than any developed country. It's because of their large population. That's why only large countries have space programs and not very well developed small ones.

And who said anything about only taking people from Central America? You made that assumption. The world is quite a large place we can take people from all over. Central Americans simply are just one piece in the puzzle and they prove that language learning (just like other factors) fade over time. That's why no one cares about if you are Irish anymore or German in America anymore.
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Old 09-23-2019, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Since assimilation has been put on hold by your side, most would disagree with you. Preserving our culture is more important than a third worlder's desires.
Assimilation is going just fine. You are assuming that people are never becoming American. It happens over time throughout the generations. Not to mention the fact that America is even stronger now and any newcomers will have fewer reasons not to learn English and assimilate when they have to learn English and watch us on tv back in their home countries anyway.
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