My brother said LA has more crime (San Francisco, Orange: movies, closing)

[Thekdog]

Originally Posted by pathrunner

Yeah, that's what we kept saying back in the late 1950's, the 1960's and 1970's. The 210 opened up in the late 1960's. It's a bloody nightmare, one of the worst in Southern California. Likely second only to the 405.

More freeways for WHAT? So more homeless will have a place to park themselves on the banks? That's what it's boiling down to. I left Long Beach in late 2020. 1-1/2 yrs later I returned for a visit. Encampments all along the 405 which weren't there before. and when the riverbeds are cleared out, the authorities send them to Long Beach. That's actually been going on for a while.

As for crime, I'm still on my former NextDoor in the L.A. area. Crime of various kinds getting worse and worse, constant reporting, warning, complaining. Can't say I blame them.

Imagine if the 210 wasn't built.

Or maybe we should dismantle the 405?

[Thekdog]

Originally Posted by Winter Coven

Where exactly should have these freeways been constructed?

The original plan called for a Beverly Hills freeway and a freeway from LAX to downtown or Rose Bowl. In addition the 2 and 710 were never finished.

https://totally-la.com/unfinished-lo...reeway-system/

[pathrunner]

Originally Posted by Thekdog

Imagine if the 210 wasn't built.

Or maybe we should dismantle the 405?

I meant to quote you rather than rep you. Surely you don't think that I actually think that those freeways should not exist? I am simply someone who lived in Southern California starting in 1952. Last time I checked everyone has a right to an opinion.

[moguldreamer]

Originally Posted by skyway31

All a part of Critical Social Justice Ideology, which posits that- like every single system, structure, norm and standard- jails are oppressive and must be abolished. "Abolitionists" push for the complete and total abolition of police and jails. They'll settle, temporarily, for mere cuts/reductions to these entities. And they know that there is a breaking point where, with many more criminals on the streets rather than in jail, and a weakened police force, the police will cease to be able to contain the revolution. None of this is the goal of "Democrats", but it is the goal of the far leftist radicals who those Democrats end up beholden to in a place like Los Angeles.

Quite some time ago, a co-worker of was being fêted by the NAACP for her professional achievements at a luncheon in San Francisco. The guest speaker was none other than Kamala Harris, then the District Attorney of San Francisco. During her speech, she proudly proclaimed she would never seek the death penalty for any Black male defendant no matter how heinous the crime because there were, in her words, "too many black men on death row."

I was surprised to learn that because the DA is an elected politician, they have very broad "prosecutorial discretion" which is a fancy way of saying they can ignore the law because they are accountable to the public during elections.

[pathrunner]

Originally Posted by skyway31

All a part of Critical Social Justice Ideology, which posits that - like every single system, structure, norm and standard - jails are oppressive and must be abolished. "Abolitionists" push for the complete and total abolition of police and jails. They'll settle, temporarily, for mere cuts/reductions to these entities. And they know that there is a breaking point where, with many more criminals on the streets rather than in jail, and a weakened police force, the police will cease to be able to contain the revolution. None of this is the goal of "Democrats", but it is the goal of the far leftist radicals who those Democrats end up beholden to in a place like Los Angeles.

Thank you. No one group should be lumped into a main ideology. Only an idiot would think abolishing police and jails/prisons is any kind of solution.

I am disgusted by far left radicals, being a moderate cradle Democrat. I'm also disgusted by far right reactionaries. But I'm most disgusted by Elitists, because that is the actual problem.

California's destruction is due to Elitism - not "Marxism," "Socialism" or "Democrats." All of these cronies in power for decades now - from both sides - are Elitists. They don't give a sh-- about the common man. As long as they have power, money and live in their ivory towers in Pacific Heights and the like, they're content with the way things are because they have a stranglehold on California. California was destroyed by corporate taxes (driving corporations out) ad elitists on both sides of the aisle who have no will to improve things. It actually has nothing to do with "politics."

[Thekdog]

Originally Posted by pathrunner

I meant to quote you rather than rep you. Surely you don't think that I actually think that those freeways should not exist? I am simply someone who lived in Southern California starting in 1952. Last time I checked everyone has a right to an opinion.

I don't think you think that, I was just making the point that we need freeways. But yes homeless and crime need to be addressed to

[skyway31]

Originally Posted by moguldreamer

Quite some time ago, a co-worker of was being fêted by the NAACP for her professional achievements at a luncheon in San Francisco. The guest speaker was none other than Kamala Harris, then the District Attorney of San Francisco. During her speech, she proudly proclaimed she would never seek the death penalty for any Black male defendant no matter how heinous the crime because there were, in her words, "too many black men on death row."

I was surprised to learn that because the DA is an elected politician, they have very broad "prosecutorial discretion" which is a fancy way of saying they can ignore the law because they are accountable to the public during elections.

Similar to what’s happening in Canada. Black defendants can write a statement saying how white supremacy harmed them, and the judge throws out the charge or lessens the punishment.

[moguldreamer]

Originally Posted by pathrunner

Thank you. No one group should be lumped into a main ideology. Only an idiot would think abolishing police and jails/prisons is any kind of solution.

It all depends on how you state the problem.

If you state the problem as, "get the families of criminals to vote for me, together with a coalition of people who think that our criminal justice system is inherently racist" then abolishing police, courts, jails and prison is indeed a solution.

If, however, you state the problem as, "have a society ruled by law and order," well, not so much.

[pathrunner]

If all we see is the media covering people of color out there marching to abolish police, etc. then unfortunately that's what many people will believe, especially the confirmation bias people.

We all know the media is mostly b.s. and they show things to get views and stir people up. The people of color I know do not believe the police, etc. should be abolished. I believe there are many more who are in the same frame of mind. It's silly to think that "defunding the police" is a good, rational idea to fight crime.

[Thekdog]

Originally Posted by pathrunner

If all we see is the media covering people of color out there marching to abolish police, etc. then unfortunately that's what many people will believe, especially the confirmation bias people.

We all know the media is mostly b.s. and they show things to get views and stir people up. The people of color I know do not believe the police, etc. should be abolished. I believe there are many more who are in the same frame of mind. It's silly to think that "defunding the police" is a good, rational idea to fight crime.

You're right, progressives are overwhelmingly wealthy white people, but they put POC in front to make it look like they're leading it