Population slightly down in MA 2022 (Boston, Quincy: to rent, preschool, incomes)

[Beachcomber4]

Originally Posted by msRB311

Police officers make 150k+ these days in many towns. Most that are married and have a working spouse should easily be able to afford a house in a nearby town. Also most cops and teachers don't even want to live in the town they work on because they don't want to run into parents and people they've arrested while they're out and about.

Teachers and cops are typically not the people moving into affordable housing developments.

$150k is a command position salary.

Where you are getting your data?

Teacher’s, police officers, firefighters and dispatchers early in their career would qualify for affordable housing lotteries. Many apply. I know this for a fact because when new homes are built, that information is sent out to every department and school on Cape.

As far as not living in the town they work, you’re painting with a broad brush. You would not be privy to the addresses of police personnel as many law enforcement agencies suppress their employees residency in public records.

[msRB311]

Yeah I guess we know different people in these jobs.

[newenglandgal123]

I know of some in their early thirties making $120K+. They are not in command positions. They can greatly up their earnings depending on how much overtime they want to work.


I once owned a condo in a development that had a certain percentage of them that were deemed as affordable units. None of the folks in the affordable units in my building were cops or teachers.

[masssachoicetts]

Originally Posted by msRB311

Yeah I guess we know different people in these jobs.

their salaries are public.... post some examples. I cant find any. If they exist you would link the towns.

A few are around 100k...but 150k is certainly a stretch

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by msRB311

Um because the 'affordable' housing goes up and everyone else's taxes raise.

This makes zero sense. The affordable units are still paying property taxes.

Originally Posted by msRB311

Not to mention quality of life goes down for the people who have paid market price for a home in that town. More people equals more traffic and more crowded schools. Not a fan of affordable housing at all. If people can't afford a certain town you find another that you can afford.

Also not making a ton of sense. If people are living locally to their employment they're driving a shorter distance so having LESS of an impact on traffic. And school overcrowding is generally not much of an issue around here as our population of school aged children has plummted over the last several decades.

[newenglandgal123]

Originally Posted by masssachoicetts

their salaries are public.... post some examples. I cant find any. If they exist you would link the towns.

A few are around 100k...but 150k is certainly a stretch

Found this as an example...it is from 2016...so you know they are only higher now...but toward the bottom it notes some non command rank police officer salaries ranging from $120K-140K. https://www.newburyportnews.com/news...004c57087.html

[newenglandgal123]

Originally Posted by timberline742

This makes zero sense. The affordable units are still paying property taxes.





Also not making a ton of sense. If people are living locally to their employment they're driving a shorter distance so having LESS of an impact on traffic. And school overcrowding is generally not much of an issue around here as our population of school aged children has plummted over the last several decades.

While they're still paying property taxes, they're at much less than the market rate units. Affordable units are not assessed the same value as their nextdoor neighbor's comparable market rate units. Hence, they not only get a $600K market rate unit for around $300K (as an example)....they also get to pay much lower taxes to boot!

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by newenglandgal123

Found this as an example...it is from 2016...so you know they are only higher now...but toward the bottom it notes some non command rank police officer salaries ranging from $120K-140K. https://www.newburyportnews.com/news...004c57087.html

Those are senior people, not the new hires and people in their early/mid 20s which affordable housing would have.

Originally Posted by newenglandgal123

While they're still paying property taxes, they're at much less than the market rate units. Affordable units are not assessed the same value as their nextdoor neighbor's comparable market rate units.

Sure. That's a good thing. A less valuable property is going to pay less. Makes perfect sense to me. It doesn't follow that other's are going to be asked to pay more, if anything, the opposite will be true as the fixed price costs of running the town will be spread out over more properties. Win win.

[newenglandgal123]

Originally Posted by timberline742

Those are senior people, not the new hires and people in their early/mid 20s which affordable housing would have.



Sure. That's a good thing. A less valuable property is going to pay less. Makes perfect sense to me.

How do you know they're senior people? There are plenty listed that do not have the title of Lt. or Sgt. in front of their names and they are just officers. As the article even mentions, overtime and traffic details increased their incomes substantially. You don't need to be a senior to do details and overtime.

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by newenglandgal123

How do you know they're senior people? .

Titles and/or going back to see how long they've been there. For instant, one that just says "police officer" has been there over 10 years and is in their mid 40s. That's not a new hire.

The real question is why do you think its the more senior people that are earning less and are eligible for these affordable housing units, and even if they were, how is that a bad thing?