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Crozier has spent 32 apparently honorable years in the Navy since entering Annapolis; I expect it took a rare situation for him to leave the charted course.
It's precisely during "rare situations" when officers face their toughest tests. Capt. Crozier flunked, not just for violating the chain of command but for the egregious manner in which he did it. It was time for him to go.
And it's time for the "acting" SecNav to make way for his permanent replacement -- sooner would be better than later.
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Originally Posted by CybrSlydr
'nuff said.
"Captain, it's time to put your ship and crew in harm's way."
"Nah, I don't think so."
Yeah, that would make for an extremely effective military.
You don't get to violate the chain of command just because you think you're more likely to get your preferred outcome if you do. If Capt. Crozier wants to make decisions that are above his pay grade, he needs to reach that pay grade first.
Capt. Crozier needed to go. Modly is a tactless imbecile. Both statements can be true at the same time.
I'd hope most sailors who gave Capt. Crozier a rousing send-off still understood why it had to be done.
He was trying to save the lives of his men. That was the preferred outcome he was seeking. We don't know why he felt that was his only choice, but I would give him the benefit of the doubt until we do. Not a fan of Trump, but he is saying he might look into the firing because of Crozier's otherwise stellar reputation.
It's precisely during "rare situations" when officers face their toughest tests. Capt. Crozier flunked, not just for violating the chain of command but for the egregious manner in which he did it. It was time for him to go.
And it's time for the "acting" SecNav to make way for his permanent replacement -- sooner would be better than later.
"Captain, it's time to put your ship and crew in harm's way."
"Nah, I don't think so."
Yeah, that would make for an extremely effective military.
There was no wartime battle, there was no reason for all those men to be on board with no way to quarantine. They were in harms way for nothing.
There was no wartime battle, there was no reason for all those men to be on board with no way to quarantine. They were in harms way for nothing.
I'm sorry but it was not the captain's position to determine if his sailors were in harm's way "for nothing" and the fact there was no "wartime battle" is a ****-poor excuse to try to remove that decision from the hands of his superiors. The military risks soldiers' and sailors' lives all the time to ensure military readiness even if there's no "wartime battle."
The people above Capt. Crozier in the chain of command deal with much bigger life-or-death decisions as part of a global strategic landscape than a handful of infected sailors whose demographic profile and physical fitness puts their odds of survival well above 99%. if the captain is not prepared to put his charges in harm's way as part of that strategic landscape, then he NEEDS to either step aside or be relieved of his command.
I'm sorry but it was not the captain's position to determine if his sailors were in harm's way "for nothing" and the fact there was no "wartime battle" is a ****-poor excuse to try to remove that decision from the hands of his superiors. The military risks soldiers' and sailors' lives all the time to ensure military readiness even if there's no "wartime battle."
The people above Capt. Crozier in the chain of command deal with much bigger life-or-death decisions as part of a global strategic landscape than a handful of infected sailors whose demographic profile and physical fitness puts their odds of survival well above 99%. if the captain is not prepared to put his charges in harm's way as part of that strategic landscape, then he NEEDS to either step aside or be relieved of his command.
Well we will disagree. He felt his men's lives were in danger, as there was no way to quarantine. We don't know what he tried before he resorted to that letter, but I doubt that was his first attempt.
Well we will disagree. He felt his men's lives were in danger, as there was no way to quarantine. We don't know what he tried before he resorted to that letter, but I doubt that was his first attempt.
It doesn't matter if it was his first attempt or his 100th attempt. His job is to keep his superiors apprised of the situation and keep the military assets under his charge in the best state of readiness as he can, PERIOD, until he is advised by his superiors to do otherwise. An aircraft carrier of all platforms, the most lethal piece of military hardware on planet Earth this side of a nuclear warhead, is the last place where this kind of insubordination can or should be tolerated.
If you're not prepared to obey orders that put your charges' lives in danger, the military is definitely the wrong line of work for you.
Better to follow hierarchy blindly? Hmm....nazi soldiers did that.
Yeah, get back to us when an officer is relieved of duty for refusing an unlawful order to commit crimes against humanity.
Until then, you follow the chain of command or your head rolls. That goes for everyone from an E-1 to the fleet admiral. If the command knows you'll panic when there's a viral outbreak on your ship, they have no reason to expect you'll have the stomach to order your sailors to their deaths should the time come for such an order.
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