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Old 05-04-2021, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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There is a political push to have the military developed a lot of new commands to exclusively focus on investigating sexual harassment complaints.

I have been seeing a few articles about the White House wanting to change how the military investigates sexual harassment incidents.

It seems they want harassment complaints to go to an outside command, that focuses on nothing else but investigating this type of complaint.

I am not sure if I support this idea. I understand that there have been a lot of reports of sexual harassment made from within the military and that each complaint needs to be thoroughly investigated.

I had thought the military was getting 'better' in this regard.

If we set up a thousand additional commands, of exclusively senior desk-jockey personnel, focused on investigating these complaints. The added infrastructure for all of these new commands will be an added burden to the cost of maintaining a standing military.

Is that what we 'need'?
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Old 05-04-2021, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Hawaii/Alabama
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It is needed for those whose reports gave been dismissed, disregarded or buried by the chain of command. It is needed for those who have been transferred or hounded out of the Service as if they were the ones in the wrong.

Complaints need to be taken seriously and investigated by people who are impartial and have not had any previous contact or relationship with any of the parties involved in the incident.

I think it is important for both the accused and the accuser.
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Old 05-04-2021, 10:37 AM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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Don’t know about a special command but it’s a new world with women being fully integrated into every level of the military. Irregardless of gender no military member should be sexually harassment. Things change. I went through Marine Corps boot camp here years ago. Now women recruits train with men but live in separate barracks.
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Old 05-04-2021, 10:41 AM
 
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The first step to halting sexual harassment/assault cases in the military is to make it so that if the accuser makes a provable false accusation they are automatically dishonorably discharged from the military.

Nearly 10 percent of cases are shown to be false.
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Old 05-04-2021, 10:48 AM
 
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When I enlisted back in 1990, things were out of control, I readily admit it. Not trying to say that everyone was being raped, because that’s not true, but many things could’ve been handled so much better. Let me put it this way: If I was to advise a female family member on joining the military back then in ‘90, there was no way in hell I would have ever let them enlist back in 1990.

Fast forward 30 years later, and it’s night and day different. I would have zero problems with any female family member joining the military of today. Complaints are heard, and they are taken seriously. I even wonder sometimes if the scales aren’t tipped too much in favor of the accuser nowadays, but I’ll leave that for the JAG or ADC to chime in, if any are on here.

But I’m sure someone who was wronged will jump on here and dispute what I wrote, and sure, there is still probably a case here or there where justice wasn’t done. But I stand by what I wrote: it’s night and day, head and shoulders better than 30 years ago, back in the Tailhook days.

So I’m not convinced that a whole new command needs to be stood up. Each service has its own investigators who have autonomy outside the operational commands. That seems to work pretty well, in my opinion.

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Old 05-04-2021, 10:50 AM
 
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When I enlisted back in 1990, things were out of control, I readily admit it. Not trying to say that everyone was being raped, because that’s not true, but many things could’ve been handled so much better. Let me put it this way: If I was to advise a female family member on joining the military back then in ‘90, there was no way in hell I would have ever let them enlist back in 1990.

Fast forward 30 years later, and it’s night and day different. I would have zero problems with any female family member joining the military of today. Complaints are heard, and they are taken seriously. I even wonder sometimes if the scales aren’t tipped too much in favor of the accused nowadays, but I’ll leave that for the JAG or ADC to chime in, if any are on here.

But I’m sure someone who was wronged will jump on here and dispute what I wrote, and sure, there is still probably a case here or there where justice wasn’t done. But I stand by what I wrote: it’s night and day, head and shoulders better than 30 years ago, back in the Tailhook days.
Absolutely.
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Old 05-04-2021, 11:04 AM
 
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I think things are better now than when I was in, but it is till too hit or miss, with one complaint/command handling everything great, while another dropping the ball every step of the way. If anything, the issue is the lack of consistency.

I have no idea if an entire command needs to be set up though, seems more of a knee jerk reaction to satisfy some vocal politicians, than an actual solution to any issue(s).

They should hold those in the CoC accountable for dropping the ball on complaints the same as they would for anything else, that in my opinion would be the simplest solution. If you are not trusting your CO to carry out a sexual harassment complaint correctly, then why are you trusting the CO to even be in command?
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Old 05-04-2021, 11:29 AM
 
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No sexual harassment when I served. There were no women..........
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Old 05-04-2021, 11:35 AM
 
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No sexual harassment when I served. There were no women..........
Unless you are nearly 90 there were women in the military. Just maybe not where you were stationed.
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Old 05-04-2021, 11:42 AM
 
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It is needed for those whose reports gave been dismissed, disregarded or buried by the chain of command. It is needed for those who have been transferred or hounded out of the Service as if they were the ones in the wrong.

Complaints need to be taken seriously and investigated by people who are impartial and have not had any previous contact or relationship with any of the parties involved in the incident.

I think it is important for both the accused and the accuser.
There is no need to have any outside source because there is already an outside source it's called Sexual Assault Response Coordinator (SARC)...every installation has one, and it is completely disjointed from that command, just for that reason....the command won't be doing the investigation.


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