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Old 05-28-2021, 09:43 AM
 
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That is, calling such a person a "soldier"?

I am slowly watching the BBC mystery show "Luther" and in the 2nd episode, they are dealing with an ex Royal Marines commando. At a few passes, they call him a soldier.

In that culture, is that an insult? Was it bad writing in the script? Or could it be intentional in the hero trying to get under the crook's skin?
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Old 05-28-2021, 11:29 AM
 
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Good question.
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Old 05-28-2021, 11:33 AM
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That is, calling such a person a "soldier"?

I am slowly watching the BBC mystery show "Luther" and in the 2nd episode, they are dealing with an ex Royal Marines commando. At a few passes, they call him a soldier.

In that culture, is that an insult? Was it bad writing in the script? Or could it be intentional in the hero trying to get under the crook's skin?
Royal Marines are commandos and are part of the Royal Navy and not the British Army.

To become a Royal Marine is a lot more difficult in terms of the commando course training than to become an average soldier in the British Army, the Parachute Regiment being the exception in terms of Army non special forces units.

The Royal Marines also provide the majority of recruits in relation to the Special Boat Service (SBS), which is the special forces unit of the Royal Navy.

The SBS are the equivalent of the US Navy SEAL Team Six.

The Royal Marines are also a major component of the Special Forces Support Group (SFSG) and are increasingly forward located on littoral combat vessels under the Future Commando Force plan.

In terms of soldiers, they are sometimes called squaddies in the UK.

The Royal Marines wear a Green Beret, the Green Beret was also worn by British Commandos World War II, and they trained alongside US specialist forces.

The US Special forces began to unofficially wear a berets of varying colour while training, however the colour green was eventually adopted because it was reminiscent of the World War II British Commando-type beret, and hence the US Green Berets were born.

The Royal Marines like to be referred to properly, and do not like being confused with ordinary line infantry soldiers and a Royal Marine is a Marine and not a Private.

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Old 05-28-2021, 11:43 AM
 
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People sometimes call US Marines soldiers......and that's a mistake one is automatically corrected on.

So the question is, what is the default title of a Royal Marine. Is it "Marine" or is it "Soldier"?
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Old 05-28-2021, 12:03 PM
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People sometimes call US Marines soldiers......and that's a mistake one is automatically corrected on.

So the question is, what is the default title of a Royal Marine. Is it "Marine" or is it "Soldier"?


It's Marine rather than Private and Commando rather than soldier.
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Old 05-28-2021, 01:10 PM
 
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It's Marine rather than Private and Commando rather than soldier.
Aren't Royal Engineers Sappers and artillery men Gunners? Much like a US Cavalry soldier is a Trooper.
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Old 05-28-2021, 10:07 PM
 
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Is Royal Marines more elite than US Marine then? I always thought Royal Marines just naval infantry like what US Marines are except smaller in number since most dont need a second land army.
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Old 05-29-2021, 02:43 AM
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Aren't Royal Engineers Sappers and artillery men Gunners? Much like a US Cavalry soldier is a Trooper.
Yes but they are not infantry and are part of the Army and not the Navy.
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Old 05-29-2021, 02:47 AM
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Is Royal Marines more elite than US Marine then? I always thought Royal Marines just naval infantry like what US Marines are except smaller in number since most dont need a second land army.
Royal Marines are totally different to the US Marines.

The Royal Marines are more similar to the US Rangers in terms of their commando role.

Royal Marines basic training is 32 weeks which is the longest for a non special forces unit in NATO.

Royal Marine Officer basic training lasts 145 months which is the equivalent of 65 weeks.

Royal Marines selection and training - Wikipedia

Under the Future Commando Force plan, the Royal Marines are to to become increasingly tier 2 special forces.

Commando Training Centre Royal Marines - Wikipedia

The UK is also currently setting up a new special forces unit, the Rangers, which will have a similar role to the US Green Berets.

The original Rangers were based on Roger's Ranger's a British unit, which the US Rangers modelled themselves on, and they also adopted Roger's 28 "Rules of Ranging".

Rogers' Rangers - Wikipedia

Robert Rogers' 28 "Rules of Ranging" - Wikipedia

Robert Rogers (British Army officer) - Wikipedia

A history of the Rangers | The British Army

Rogers Island (New York) - Wikipedia

As for the US Delta Force, set up by an SAS-trained US officer, Charlie Beckwith, based on the SAS model.

Delta Force - Wikipedia

The British equivalent of the 82nd Airborne is the Parachute Regiment and 16 Air Mobile Brigade. The Parachute Regiment being another unit that forms that is high end and could even be considered as verging on special forces, indeed the Parachute Regiment is the main regiment for recruitment to the SAS, and 1 Para form the basis of the UK Special Forces Support Group (SFSG).

British Paras, Marines and Special Forces have a close relationship with their US counterparts.

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Old 05-29-2021, 03:29 AM
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