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Old 09-24-2021, 08:00 AM
 
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So you're making judgments and pronouncements based on hearsay and supposition.

It's okay to do that if that's all you have...but acknowledge the fact that you're not speaking from the best information.

When I was teaching young intelligence analysts, I would have them write every assertion that had no hard evidence in red font. When they got one reliable source, they could change that sentence to blue font. When they had two reliable sources, they could change it to green font. They could not change it to black font without three reliable sources or a caveat that the assertion was merely an estimate or presumption.

One of my best commanders had trained me: "Tell me what you know. Then tell me what you think. But always tell me the difference."
Ralph, understand your desire to hear other versions of the Kuduz hospital bombing. The parallels to the Tragic drone attack on civilians, children, is to compare the differences in the Presidential RESPONSES. The line of thought is that with similar Presidential parties, everyone could see thru politics and see the dichotomy of an accountable President and one that runs from accountability.

Ralph, your academic example of changing restricted (euphemism) information to create either a different narrative or to skirt around releasable vs non releasable information is cute. Nobody on here should be trying to blue-out real words to skirt information releasability. Hence my use of terming this effort as trolling for asking us to do the same.
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Old 10-08-2021, 11:31 AM
 
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Default Maybe the drone strike was a martyr effort?

Could drone strikes become passé?

Recent MIT study says drone strikes don’t work. With Biden’s urgency to payback and prevent another suicide bombing, the errant drone strike that killed aid workers and children, in a van, may have been the last straw. The Washington Post has an OpEd that states just this… drone strikes don’t work.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...-john-bradley/

Another negative drone article:
https://www.technologyreview.com/202...arfare-failed/

And another: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...deaths/620308/

And the original MIT study: https://direct.mit.edu/isec/article/...-Effectiveness
Study came out a long time ago but now it’s in vogue.

Maybe this will be like defunding the police. Blame the operators (or intelligence :tape) on errors. And the result could be less drones.
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Old 10-08-2021, 11:47 AM
 
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Could drone strikes become passé?

Recent MIT study says drone strikes don’t work. With Biden’s urgency to payback and prevent another suicide bombing, the errant drone strike that killed aid workers and children, in a van, may have been the last straw. The Washington Post has an OpEd that states just this… drone strikes don’t work.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...-john-bradley/

Another negative drone article:
https://www.technologyreview.com/202...arfare-failed/

And another: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...deaths/620308/

And the original MIT study: https://direct.mit.edu/isec/article/...-Effectiveness
Study came out a long time ago but now it’s in vogue.

Maybe this will be like defunding the police. Blame the operators (or intelligence :tape) on errors. And the result could be less drones.
Drones are the reason American casualties in Afghanistan have been so low over the last few years. We could have sent men on foot or piloted aircraft on those missions...and the only difference would have been in US casualties.

In Vietnam, it took an average of 21 bombing attacks to destroy a single target...those misses landed on somebody unintended.

That's one of the considerations political leaders should be held accountable for before sending in the military. A lot of civilians are always going to get killed.
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Old 10-16-2021, 06:35 AM
 
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Default Pentagon pays family for tragic wrong drone strike

Biden has finally admitted the drone strike was wrong and directed the Pentagon to pay the families of those killed in the drone attack. Recall that the Pentagon only admitted the wrong drone strike after the media called attention and questioned WHO was killed.

https://politizan.com/article/41894/...zemari-ahmadi/

I addition, the military and state department is working on get the rest of the families into the U.S.
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Old 10-19-2021, 09:52 PM
 
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Default Ow the IG investigation starts into Biden’s errant drone strike

The drone strike that killed 10 innocent civilians, including children, will be investigated by the IG. Similar to the Benghazi debacle, the IG will start an investigation to determine the false intelligence that led to the disaster. In addition, the IG will be looking into the order given to strike to see if Biden was trying to just strike any target, just to get heat off his back for the failed Afghanistan withdrawal.

https://www.militarytimes.com/flashp...led-civilians/
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Old 10-19-2021, 10:04 PM
 
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The drone strike that killed 10 innocent civilians, including children, will be investigated by the IG. Similar to the Benghazi debacle, the IG will start an investigation to determine the false intelligence that led to the disaster. In addition, the IG will be looking into the order given to strike to see if Biden was trying to just strike any target, just to get heat off his back for the failed Afghanistan withdrawal.

https://www.militarytimes.com/flashp...led-civilians/
I recall back in the early 90s when one of my imagery analyst troops looking at reconnaissance imagery had reported a "possible convoy" parked at an oasis the Iraqi desert one day, and we saw that it was four burned craters the next day. The problem is that these days, Bedouins don't ride camels, they drive trucks, and it can be hard to distinguish between a Bedouin truck caravan and a military supply convoy.

The young guy looked at me plaintively and asked, "Why did we bomb that? We didn't really know what it was." Of course he felt guilty because he had been the one to report it.

I had no answer to the question.
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Old 10-20-2021, 06:04 AM
 
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Because the idea is to destroy the enemy. What most don’t understand is that every conflict, from Vietnam forward, had fighters who didn’t conveniently wear uniforms to indicate their loyalties.

Never forget what Gen Sherman said.
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Old 11-26-2021, 06:28 PM
 
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Default Now The Hague is looking into Biden’s drone mistake that killed a dozen civilians

This isn’t what Biden needs right now; an investigation by the international community into the drone strike that killed afghan civilians, including children.

https://dailyangle.com/articles/inte...illed-children

The international partners will not see this as a good thing for Biden on the world stage.
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Old 11-30-2021, 01:14 PM
 
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More airstrikes that killed civilians: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...yt-2021-11-13/

In 2019? How the heck was Biden ordering drone strikes in 2019?

Well, he wasn't. Every President that has ordered airstrikes has killed civilians. Some people just like to pretend that their side didn't do it and blame the other side. Kinda like we did to each other in junior high.
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Old 11-30-2021, 01:29 PM
 
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More airstrikes that killed civilians: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...yt-2021-11-13/

In 2019? How the heck was Biden ordering drone strikes in 2019?

Well, he wasn't. Every President that has ordered airstrikes has killed civilians. Some people just like to pretend that their side didn't do it and blame the other side. Kinda like we did to each other in junior high.
A hundred years ago, when the US wanted a punitive strike short of declaring war, it was "Send in the Marines!" Then air strikes became popular (e.g., OPERATION EL DIABLO CANYON). Then Tomahawk missiles. Then drones.
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