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Old 07-26-2022, 11:28 AM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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The video you mention: that was real life for me. Chanting for our deaths inches from our faces, thrown bricks, rocks, and molotov cocktails, looting and property damage (including our vehicles), blocking highways and bridges, etc.

All witnessed with my own eyes.

I don’t give a rats ass what anyone thinks of my opinion on BLM.
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Old 07-26-2022, 01:37 PM
 
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Good to know. I agree that it is not hate speech. Then you should really look up Officer Sarah Erwin’s case. She was a police officer in Hopewell Township who was fired for posting on her personal Facebook her concern for her fellow officers heading into Trenton during the George Floyd protests (which had been violent in many other States, though I believe they turned out peacefully in NJ, not that she could have known that at the time) and her feelings on BLM, saying that they were terrorists who hated cops (and when there are videos of BLM protestors shouting that cops are pigs and to fry them like bacon, she doesn’t seem to be wrong, albeit generalizing). A Sergeant in Hopewell was demoted and placed on 6 months leave solely for liking the post.

It’s things like this that make me believe that the defined laws about hate speech are not going to be used against officers. Instead officers will be held to whatever feelings and opinions their superiors and/or the general public thinks. And that is wrong.
Under the law, hate speech is not legally protected by the first amendment, meaning the government can prosecute you for hate speech in certain instances.

Entirely separate to that point, I have no issue with a police officer being reprimanded or fired for calling BLM a terrorist organization. I'm sure the CBA had language that supported the municipality's decision to fire her (it obviously did, because otherwise she'd win the challenge). If there's a cop willingly calling BLM terrorists on facebook, that person should not be a cop. But she shouldn't go to jail over it. Not hate speech, but disqualifying for her position.
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Old 07-26-2022, 07:17 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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...I have no issue with a police officer being reprimanded or fired for calling BLM a terrorist organization...
Agreed.
Anyone who puts on a uniform, and/or carries a badge, must be held to a higher standard than John Q Public.
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Old 07-27-2022, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Now that NJ has enacted a requirement for LEOs to be licensed, that leaves only California, Massachusetts, and Rhode Island as the states lacking that type of requirement. If you give this about 2 seconds of contemplation, you will realize that ALL of the "red" states have already enacted this type of statute.

So... with the realization that this type of regulation gained traction in "red" states earlier than it did in NJ...
How does this type of legislation amount to "woke democrat nonsense"?



https://whyy.org/articles/new-jersey...btain-license/

Good argument.

Many radical conservatives don't like facts or data. It's annoying.
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Old 07-27-2022, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Bergen County, NJ
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Good to know. I agree that it is not hate speech. Then you should really look up Officer Sarah Erwin’s case. She was a police officer in Hopewell Township who was fired for posting on her personal Facebook her concern for her fellow officers heading into Trenton during the George Floyd protests (which had been violent in many other States, though I believe they turned out peacefully in NJ, not that she could have known that at the time) and her feelings on BLM, saying that they were terrorists who hated cops (and when there are videos of BLM protestors shouting that cops are pigs and to fry them like bacon, she doesn’t seem to be wrong, albeit generalizing). A Sergeant in Hopewell was demoted and placed on 6 months leave solely for liking the post.

It’s things like this that make me believe that the defined laws about hate speech are not going to be used against officers. Instead officers will be held to whatever feelings and opinions their superiors and/or the general public thinks. And that is wrong.


Lol. Cops literally get away with murder. This is not a threat to them. The mob that is the police is too powerful for them to ever face the same repercussions for their actions as the general public.
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