Ohio Vote on Issue 1 (Coshocton, Republic: house, college, casinos)

[Kerby W-R]

Are you voting
Yes or No
on Issue 1.
or Not voting at all.

[Natural510]

The only people voting Yes are anti-abortion to the point they’re willing to cancel their own ability to ever pass another state proposition again. I’d like to think that isn’t the majority of the states voters, but stranger things have happened.

[JR_C]

Originally Posted by Natural510

The only people voting Yes are anti-abortion to the point they’re willing to cancel their own ability to ever pass another state proposition again. I’d like to think that isn’t the majority of the states voters, but stranger things have happened.

This is true. But a different spin I've seen from the "yes on 1" folks is: "Don't let radical special interests impose their fringe views on Ohioans". They claim that if issue 1 doesn't pass, all kinds of wacky amendments are going to get passed.

[woxyroxme]

I lean conservative but I am definitely voting NO but hell NO.

This is about abortion plain and simple, the commercials they are running are ridiculous, if you don’t vote yes the trans gender queers will take your kids for sex change surgery without your consent. The scary thing is that people actually believe this crap, they just can’t get enough support from the abortion issue alone.

This has been a big debate on the Nextdoor app if any of you are on there, it’s against the terms of service to discuss politics but this issue has been big in my area.

[ohioaninsc]

Originally Posted by JR_C

This is true. But a different spin I've seen from the "yes on 1" folks is: "Don't let radical special interests impose their fringe views on Ohioans". They claim that if issue 1 doesn't pass, all kinds of wacky amendments are going to get passed.

Yet its an outside special interest funding the yes on 1 vote.

The state's constitution has been changed the same way for over 150 years and it's worked just fine...no reason to change it now.

This state would have no casinos at all in it if this type of idiotic rule was in place back in 2006 or whenever.

[SlideRules99]

I’m also voting “No”.

Just FYI, out-of-state special interests have dominated funding for both sides.

“Yes” funding: $4.9M total ($4.2M from out of state)

“No” funding: $14.8M total ($12.4M from out of state).

Always helpful to see where the money is coming from. Details here…

https://www.daytondailynews.com/loca...OZNXI6EW2LFKY/

[ClevelandBrown]

Originally Posted by SlideRules99

I’m also voting “No”.

Just FYI, out-of-state special interests have dominated funding for both sides.

“Yes” funding: $4.9M total ($4.2M from out of state)

“No” funding: $14.8M total ($12.4M from out of state).

Always helpful to see where the money is coming from. Details here…

https://www.daytondailynews.com/loca...OZNXI6EW2LFKY/

I'm also voting no and for three big reasons

1. A state issue of this magnitude should be placed on a November general election, not rushed onto what is still going to be a low turnout August special election. While turnout will exceed expectations and probably be around 40 percent, that still means that 20.01 percent of voters conceivably could decide if the constitution is changed to now raise the threshold on citizen-led initiatives to 60 percent.

2. The 60 percent threshold is a valid one to vote on (in November), but it's a joke that this issue doesn't need to meet 60 percent to go into affect. If the constitution is so sacred where an overwhelming majority of voters agree on it in order to be changed, the same standards should have to be met to pass in order to it to go into effect. Instead, this measure only needs to pass by 50 percent, plus one.

3. The extra measures added on make it an absolute no for me. Changing it to now have to get at least 5 percent of signatures in all 88 counties will make even getting a future initiative even to a vote. Granted, Ohio is controlled on all levels by the GOP, but if that flips, good luck in the future trying to get 5 percent (roughly 20,000 to 25,000) in Cuyahoga to sign a conservative citizen amendment. Or all it will take is one county to toss enough signatures to invalidate it ... because if this passes, there also will no longer be a 10-day window to go back and try to get the needed signatures.

I know this seems far fetched, but it's not a given that the GOP will continue to have a stranglehold on the state. In 2026, Ohio will have a new governor. The last governor election where an incumbent wasn't on the ballot was DeWine-Cordray in 2018. DeWine won by about 165,000 votes, which in a statewide race is not a huge margin (less than four percent). If the governor seat flips, now the supermajority GOP won't be able to ram down their unconstitutional gerrymandered statewide House and Senate districts (which were ruled unconstitutional several times by a GOP majority Ohio Supreme Court ... but ignored). The new Dem governor could veto any unconstitutional maps and force the the state House/Senate to meet constitutional standards, which right now would give the GOP a narrow majority in both chambers, not the supermajority they are now enjoying.

That same Dem governor would be running again in 2030 now as an incumbent. If that person wins again, by the rules of the Ohio constitution, the new state House/Senate districts would be drawn to now give the Dems the advantage, since they would have collected a larger share of the statewide vote in that 2030 election. So, by 2032 (9 years away), it is possible for Ohio to completely flip to 3-levels of Dem control.

That's a lot of "ifs" but nothing that is out of the realm of possibility considering even these "huge" statewide GOP wins the past decade have mostly been in the 4-8 percent range (Dems were getting those same kind of wins from 2005 to 2012 so not that long ago).

I'd caution any Republican in voting yes on this (it's not about abortion ... even though it was placed specifically to defeat November's vote on the issue). This has long-range implications that go way beyond three months from now.

[gentlearts]

I’m really not an Ohio voter anymore, but I’m against giving up our freedoms, whatever the circumstances.

[sheena12]

I am voting "NO".

It is partially about abortion. I have always believed that women should have full control of their own bodies, without governmental interference.

I am very cautious about any attempt to change the Ohio constitution. What is the emergency? Ohio has functioned just fine for 150 years, and now; suddenly there are some who want to dismantle it? Sounds fishy to me.

Voting "yes" will open the door to limiting the power of our individual votes. I have always been a "One vote, One person" voter. I'm not a fan of the Electoral College, for example.

I am essentially against anything that limits voters liberty and puts it in the hands of others, whether they be politicians, religious groups, corporations or others.

VOTE NO.

[Peregrine]

Originally Posted by sheena12

I am voting "NO".

It is partially about abortion. I have always believed that women should have full control of their own bodies, without governmental interference.

This is what the YES people want it to be about. It looks like the abortion issue WILL be on the November ballot from my understanding. Issue 1, if passed, takes affect Jan 1, 2024. So this won't even imapct that!

I agree with Sheena, too. I'm a man. The abortion issue should be left up to: women. I love how the most anti-abortion people are little old blue haired ladies....

My issue with 1 has nothing to do with any of this. It's the part no one ever talks about: Today, you only need a half of the state counties to get enough signatures to get an amendment on the ballot. If 1 passes, you need EVERY county to provide at least 5%. Vinton County has 1% of the Ohio population. So if VInton county doesn't get enough signatures...no ballot initiative. That's ONE tiny county able to decide for the state... That is not BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE. And lets not even talk about the possibility of some county clerk in Vinton or Coshocton doesn't like the topic and invalidates enough signatures to make sure they fall below the 5%... could happen. And then that leads to the last point: if signatures are invalid TODAY, they are given 10 days to try and get more. If issues 1 passes: there is no time given to try and get signatures. How do people NOT see this as an attempt to make sure it's INSANELY difficult to change out constitution. Of course it should not be easy! but...today, pre-issue 1: it's NOT easy!