Universal income for Hobos. (Portland: lease, mortgage, tenant)

[ccjarider]

Do you think this insanity will go anywhere??





https://olis.oregonlegislature.gov/l...Overview/SB603

[Kid Ashbury]

49 other states thank Oregon for working hard to become the homeless mecca of the country

[skeddy]

get it done, we'll get the buses gassed up.

[Hemlock140]

Yes, this would be a huge help to the City of Seattle, and surrounding cities. I never thought I would see the day when a government gives people money to support their drug habits. There is very little hope that it would reduce their other criminal activities such as car prowls, shoplifting and other theft. There is no housing available that will enable someone to live off of $1,000 month if that's their only income. The average rent in Portland $1,779.

[usayit]

What a horrible idea..... we already have welfare programs and the incentive should be to get off of them not encourage them to keep living off tax payer dollars.

[texasdiver]

Originally Posted by ccjarider

Do you think this insanity will go anywhere??

https://olis.oregonlegislature.gov/l...Overview/SB603

Short answer? No, it won't go anywhere.

The cost would also be astronomical because homeless is so poorly defined that most anyone who doesn't have a lease or mortgage in THEIR name could probably claim it.

It is so expansive that anyone "at risk of homelessness" would be eligible, and anyone who has pays 50% of more of their income in rent. So basically anyone poor would be entitled to a $12,000 income with no strings attached.

Click through and read the bill text. It is far more expansive than just a $1,000/mo. dole to the homeless. It would be a ginormous new entitlement that would cost billions.

[oregonwoodsmoke]

I suspect that most of the homeless are already getting a disability check. But it is not just for homeless, it is for the "rent burdened". I don't care what your income is the rent is a burden and the rent is for sure not going to go down if you give every tenant $1,000 to help them pay the rent.

........There is no housing available that will enable someone to live off of $1,000 month if that's their only income. The average rent in Portland $1,779.......

There is no housing available if you gave them $5,000 a month so they have three times the rent in income. No one is going to take a tenant who never washes, poops wherever he happens to be standing, tosses trash around, stays drunk or stoned, and has out of control mental health issues. Money for rent is not the primary homeless problem and money is not going to solve the homeless problem.

[Silverfall]

It might go somewhere as a smaller trial bill. I know many states have done studies on guaranteed minimum incomes. Since they have $250,000 earmarked for PSU to study the payout, I can see the legislature shrinking this concept and doing a study of some sort.

$500 million off the bat with no study to back it up seems unlikely since there is no super majority anymore. The number of proposals coming out right now are big as they are pretty much throwing every idea out there to see which ones might stick.

[texasdiver]

$500 million divided by $1000/mo. comes to 41,666 persons assuming such a program has ZERO administrative expenses which is a ridiculous notion.

Just looking at the qualification criteria I would estimate that well north of 500,000 Oregonians would qualify since the criteria are so loose and expansive. Which would put the program in the $6 BILLION range per year plus whatever administrative costs would be entailed. Say we use a 10% figure for administrative costs, that would make the program a $6.6 BILLION program annually to serve 500,000 Oregonians.

For the sake of comparison or context, the current proposed education state K-12 education budget for the upcoming 2023-2025 biennium is $9.9 BILLION or $4.45 BILLION per year.

[Cloudy Dayz]

Originally Posted by ccjarider

Do you think this insanity will go anywhere??





https://olis.oregonlegislature.gov/l...Overview/SB603

So people who are severely rent burdened because of insanely high rents or who earn below 60 percent of area median income are hobos?

Brilliant logic.

People who think like you are the problems, not the solutions, and why we can't have nice things like nice clean streets free of tents, like other countries have.