Oregon’s Stupid No Salt Policy (Portland, La Grande: daycare, college, organic)

[Cloudy Dayz]

Originally Posted by StealthRabbit

I think it is a knee jerk reaction by ODOT due to the new 'Entitlement' generation finding their kids stuck at school or on buses when the buses / schools were not prepared.

stuff happens, all could have coped...

Bingo. Rather than closing the schools or putting tire chains on the school busses, now they are going to smother the whole state in road salt.

Salt will not solve the problem. Anybody who has lived in a snowy climate knows that roads can ice up very quickly. Once that happens it becomes difficult for the salt/sand trucks to get to the problem areas. Often they just become part of the problem. The salt usually gets on roads hours after the problems develop.

Snow does interfere with travel, and nothing will change that fact. Deal with it. If you can't deal with it, then maybe you should move someplace where it never snows. Just saying.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctNFxD1TNCc

[ccjarider]

Your video shows exactly why de-icing chemicals are required in hilly, populated areas.
SO PEOPLE DON'T GET KILLED!


Why anyone would argue against common sense, makes no sense.
Must be Hillary voters

[notnamed]

Back in Ohio they used a beet juice/salt brine mixture to pre-treat the roads before a storm that was very effective until you got sub zero temps or massive accumulation that would never be an issue here.

I would think telling the people of Portland that their roads were being treated with organic beet juice would be an easy sell.

[Metlakatla]

Alaskan residents manage to survive winters without road salt.

[ormari]

Originally Posted by USDefault

And what else does New York do? Salt. The. Roads. TONS of salt, from the Catskills to Montauk Point. They dump salt on the freeways and major arteries as if they were icing a cake. We're talking hundreds of thousands of tons of rock salt, in a single year.

Impact on cars? Zero. Impact on environment? None. Trees and plants growing just fine throughout New York state, even right next to the heavily-salted freeways.

There is no difference, none, between car longevity on the East Coast versus West Coast. This is confirmed by the additional fact auto leasing rates are similar among both coasts. If you were right, and salt cut a car's life in half, leasing rates would soar in road-salt states because the lease-ending residual value of the car would be much lower, hence lessees would have to make up the difference between initial capitalized cost and residual value in their payments. But it isn't true -- cars last just as long, lease rates are identical. This alone utterly annihilates your incorrect "analysis."

Cars last just as long in salt and no-salt states. Environmental impact is negligible. It is untrue and laughably incorrect to say a car's life goes from 20 years to 7 years in a road-salt state. Wrong. End of discussion.

Regarding what you say about residual value of a leased vehicle: sounds good on the surface, but leases are generally a couple years only; I think this is before salt-induced rust damage has really taken a firm hold.

The rest of this isn't even close to being correct. Zero impact on cars? Nonsense. No impact on the environment? False. I would love to see you cite a reputable study that shows that cars last the same amount of time in salt and no-salt states.

When I moved from Oregon to New England, one of the first things that was evident as I drove through the northeast was how rusted out the cars and trucks are that are just a few years old. This was especially obvious on I-90 in New York. And I see it on a daily basis here in Rhode Island. Rusted out vehicles don't last on the roads for long because we have strict annual or biennial safety inspections which cull rusted-frame vehicles from the herd.

I have purchased cars, including one purchased new, that rusted out to the point where they were no longer salvageable. The same thing has happened to friends who owned vehicles of different makes, so it is not a manufacturer issue. I have had this happen on both foreign and domestic vehicles. This is the kind of thing that happens within a decade of winter-time use here in New England. We get more snow than Willamette Valley, to be sure, but your claims are patently false. End of discussion?

On Massachusetts and Rhode Island highways, there are signs near bodies of fresh water indicating "Low Salt Areas"; the DOTs apply less salt to the roads because it is known to cause an environmental impact.

[Dwayne Lassiter]

Originally Posted by ccjarider

Your video shows exactly why de-icing chemicals are required in hilly, populated areas.
SO PEOPLE DON'T GET KILLED!

Didn't see anyone getting killed in that video. Common sense pertains.

Why anyone would argue against common sense, makes no sense.
Must be Hillary voters

Betcha you're real upset right now?

[BayAreaHillbilly]

Same issue here in CA. Sand? .... bwahahaha!

And this morning was yet another testament ... black ice related wrecks.

For the few times a year when it's needed, USE THE SALT!!!!

[Cloudy Dayz]

Originally Posted by ccjarider

Your video shows exactly why de-icing chemicals are required in hilly, populated areas.
SO PEOPLE DON'T GET KILLED!


Why anyone would argue against common sense, makes no sense.
Must be Hillary voters

Show me any source that says that salt on roads has ever solved any transportation problem. I wasn't going to make it political but since you brought it up.

Problem: Snow is making the roads difficult to travel on.

Solution: Lets wreck the environment, and pollute the waterways with salt. No problem can't be solved with enough environmental damage.

[Cloudy Dayz]

Originally Posted by Metlakatla

Alaskan residents manage to survive winters without road salt.

As does most of the country.

[ccjarider]

Originally Posted by Cloudy Dayz

Show me any source that says that salt on roads has ever solved any transportation problem. I wasn't going to make it political but since you brought it up.

Problem: Snow is making the roads difficult to travel on.

Solution: Lets wreck the environment, and pollute the waterways with salt. No problem can't be solved with enough environmental damage.

Wreck the environment - sure.
Exaggerate much?