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Old 05-31-2022, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Puna, Hawaii
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https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/monkey-pox-update

Normally I wouldn't give an article like this any other definition than "fear porn".

Except it was written by Dr. Malone, the voice of reason throughout the last 2 years who coincidentally wrote an article last week describing monkeypox articles as "Fear Porn".

"Based on their findings, they have rapidly disclosed both their data as well as a series of startling hypothesis regarding the origin of the currently circulating Monkeypox (West African Clade) Monkeypox. Cutting to the chase, having reviewed their data and paper, I now have to conclude that one of the many “working hypotheses” concerning the origin of this particular virus must be that it is the product of laboratory-based manipulation - precisely as previously modeled by the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI):Bio/Munich Security Conference . True story. Truth continues to be stranger than fiction."

(Remember, he is calling it a "working hypothesis" and not confirmed data).

I understand that this is an article about a disease, and some will argue it belongs in the Health section, but it is also an article about a potential bioweapon which is appropriate for this forum. One would have to read the article.
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Old 05-31-2022, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Backwoods of Maine
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AFAIK, this thing causes temporary blisters. No deaths.

This is mostly limited to gay males who were congregated together in Spain/Portugal. But of course they won't say that (homophobic).

This pox is in the same family as cowpox and smallpox. If you are old enough to hsve been vaccinated for smallpox in your youth, you are 85% immune to this one.

We have a whopping what? 6-8 cases in the US? (OoOo, panic!!)

This thing simply does not spread like covid. It has an R0<1, which will extinguish itself before it goes very far. Not worth worrying about...unless you are a leftist and concerned about the mid-term elections....
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Old 05-31-2022, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Puna, Hawaii
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There are two strains of monkeypox, one with a 3.6% and one with a 10.6% death rate. According to Malone's article, the mutated form is from the 3.6% strain.

The covid death rate is, what, 0.01%? And that was enough to lock the world down and destroy the economy?
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Old 05-31-2022, 05:29 PM
 
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There are two strains of monkeypox, one with a 3.6% and one with a 10.6% death rate. According to Malone's article, the mutated form is from the 3.6% strain.

The covid death rate is, what, 0.01%? And that was enough to lock the world down and destroy the economy?
You sound like a covid denier, must be a huge conspiracy by the guvvvvernment huh.

Please use some active thinking and realize Covid has a R0 of 12, monkeypox has a R0 < 1.

Meaning that Covid is more than 12X more spreadable. Even the method of spread is easier for Covid VS monkeypox.

I suspect you own lots of MAGA caps.
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Old 05-31-2022, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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There are two strains of monkeypox, one with a 3.6% and one with a 10.6% death rate. According to Malone's article, the mutated form is from the 3.6% strain.

The covid death rate is, what, 0.01%? And that was enough to lock the world down and destroy the economy?
hit.however the method of transmission is more difficult than airborne. Stay away from those bars and bathhouses and you shouldn't have to worry.
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Old 05-31-2022, 11:26 PM
 
Location: Puna, Hawaii
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You sound like a covid denier, must be a huge conspiracy by the guvvvvernment huh.

Please use some active thinking and realize Covid has a R0 of 12, monkeypox has a R0 < 1.

Meaning that Covid is more than 12X more spreadable. Even the method of spread is easier for Covid VS monkeypox.

I suspect you own lots of MAGA caps.
I'm not sure what you mean with the political nonsense. There are forums here for that. Maybe you didn't read the article, but Dr. Malone is talking about a new mutated form of the virus, possibly done on purpose. Unlike you, I'm not a scientist with advanced 'active thinking' skills, but this article seems to contradict everything you said about R0 values. The OG strain of COVID that was the most lethal had an R0 not much higher than monkeypox.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_...tious_diseases

I understand that the recent media articles are reporting that non-endemic monkeypox is only currently known to be spread in a particular community. That could be the biggest warning sign, because that is something that has changed from historical transmission. Maybe try reading Malone's article again without viewing it through political nonsense colored glasses.
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Old 05-31-2022, 11:41 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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It is just a virus doing what a virus does.

https://virological.org/t/multi-coun...oevolution/806

"The multi-country outbreak most likely has a single origin, with all sequenced viruses released so far* tightly clustering together."

"the outbreak virus belongs to the West African clade and is most closely related to viruses (based on available genome data) associated with the exportation of monkeypox virus from Nigeria to several countries in 2018 and 2019, namely the United Kingdom, Israel and Singapore."

The article discusses possible evolutionary events.

Not necessary to invoke another evil lab event.
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Old 06-01-2022, 03:04 AM
 
Location: rural south west UK
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its just something else to make the masses panic.
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Old 06-01-2022, 06:12 AM
 
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I'm not sure what you mean with the political nonsense. There are forums here for that. Maybe you didn't read the article, but Dr. Malone is talking about a new mutated form of the virus, possibly done on purpose. Unlike you, I'm not a scientist with advanced 'active thinking' skills, but this article seems to contradict everything you said about R0 values. The OG strain of COVID that was the most lethal had an R0 not much higher than monkeypox.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_...tious_diseases

I understand that the recent media articles are reporting that non-endemic monkeypox is only currently known to be spread in a particular community. That could be the biggest warning sign, because that is something that has changed from historical transmission. Maybe try reading Malone's article again without viewing it through political nonsense colored glasses.
You are both pushing politics. Malone is a controversial character. You call him a voice of reason but many others see him as a quack or opportunist. Its like quoting something Fauci said and saying you are not taking a political stance. If the person you are quoting is politically controversial you are pushing politics.

Unless monkeypox mutates to the point it starts spreading around the world as a pandemic there is really nothing to worry about. Even if it was weaponized in a lab. And if that is true then they did a pretty poor job of creating this thing. Since its so hard to transmit and so few people have caught it. And one thing we have learned about covid is you need a lot of person to person transmission to get mutations. So this is a nothing burger.
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Old 06-01-2022, 06:19 AM
 
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Did the NIH and or Wuhan lab work on this virus at all? Did they work on this virus separately, and or together?
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