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Group survival is for those who cannot survive alone and have to rely on others for the skills and knowledge they lack.
groups do not form out of thin air immediately post SHTF and any who cant survive alone wont live long enough to join a group.
I would not want to join a group of strangers I could not and would not trust, any group over here will be immediate family and family only.
the average sheeple over here goes food shopping every 3 days never mind 2 weeks.
Exactly my point.
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Group survival is for those who cannot survive alone and have to rely on others for the skills and knowledge they lack.
groups do not form out of thin air immediately post SHTF and any who cant survive alone wont live long enough to join a group.
I would not want to join a group of strangers I could not and would not trust, any group over here will be immediate family and family only.
There are a few groups, here in the Ozarks. At least two of them have been here for more than a dozen years.
There are also a couple Amish villages, but there are enough drug addicts, I don't expect them to last long. How long my village survives would depend on how soon they realize they need to dig a mass grave for those who come to steal. I really suspect they have been too "civilized" for too long.
And, I know of another one, in Tennessee, formerly an organic farm, and before that, a hippy commune (same place, and some of the same people). Been there at least 50 years.
All of these communes are gathered according to their religious philosophy, and none of them are marxist. Generally they all require a certain number of hours (four, I think) per week, community service (for the common areas) and the rest of the time is crass capitalism.
there are a few groups in the UK but they tend to be of the Bushcraft variety and most eventually collapse as people move on because of house moves, job relocation , or people lose interest and find a new hobby. most of those groups are nothing more than a few old men sitting round a camp fire drinking beer.
most if not all groups over here will break up long before SHTF actually happens.
there are no Amish or anything similar over here.
I always say when the collapse comes people are on their own, there will be no 7th Cavalry or Govt riding over the hill to your rescue, there is only one person responsible for your survival, and that is you and you alone.
Yet Christian ‘marxists’, your self proclaimed lowest form of sheeple, have you beat. Apples and oranges eh?
You don't get to pick which one's are 'more or less' in your view, marxist. They are what they are. And they are very self sufficient.
...and I'll note- we took a very self sufficient people and forced them to our way- a very tribal and 'marxist' way of living. And now you want to instil self sufficiency. I find that to be a pantload of irony.
there are a few groups in the UK but they tend to be of the Bushcraft variety and most eventually collapse as people move on because of house moves, job relocation , or people lose interest and find a new hobby. most of those groups are nothing more than a few old men sitting round a camp fire drinking beer.
most if not all groups over here will break up long before SHTF actually happens.
there are no Amish or anything similar over here.
I always say when the collapse comes people are on their own, there will be no 7th Cavalry or Govt riding over the hill to your rescue, there is only one person responsible for your survival, and that is you and you alone.
You have no Amish, quakes or the like because of the Church of England. They were run out.
Are you saying that a commune that feeds itself and raises enough money to cover property taxes, can not be self-sufficient?
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The posts were made as an attack on my statement that marxists are a low form of life. I thought, when I made my statement, that everyone here would understand my intent was aimed at those who think everyone should be dependent on the government to tell them what to do, and to provide for them, cradle to grave.
Apparently, I was wrong about what people would understand.
I guess a couple of the people here were unable to grasp the concept, and when I tried to explain it, and one or more of them seem to stubbornly insist that a small group of people deciding among themselves to share their fortunes is no different than the government of Venezuela or China.
I am not sure it their attack is personal, emotional or showing a lack of conceptual skills. Whatever the cause, I don't see any use in pursuing the matter, any further.
You have no Amish, quakes or the like because of the Church of England. They were run out.
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we have Jews and JW.
My understanding was that they left, voluntarily, rather than raise their children in the religious climate they observed in the society around them. (They considered English society of the time to be offensive to God.) It was more of an attack on their sensibilities, and less of an attack on their person.
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capitalism.
