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I think perhaps part of what I'm saying is based on personal experience, as well. Have grown up in a suburb of NYC and lived in urban areas in NYC and Chicago, I tend to equate cities with density, walking, public transit, etc...however the case may be entirely different in cities that lack the density or mass transit options of New York and, to a lesser degree, Chicago.
I am pretty sure I've read that thing about commute times somewhere more authoritative than, well, my repeating it on an internet message board. I'll try to find it and post it later, when I have the time.
Western and Southern cities rarely have the density that pre-automobile east coast cities (and Chicago) have. As a result, development and commuting patterns are probably significantly different.
The Netherlands is the most densely populated country in Europe, and that's saying something. Everyone lives in these medium-rise apt buildings that are smack against the sidewalk, no setbacks, no trees. People, people everywhere!
Yes I know and I adore Amsterdam it is a beautiful city...I see nothing wrong with Amsterdam…cities should be densely populated
Wait...what poor city has grocery stores every few miles?
Denver, in the residential neighborhoods. It's been a long time since I lived in Pittsburgh, but there, too, as I recall. By every few miles, I mean 2-3 miles apart or so.
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Denver, in the residential neighborhoods. It's been a long time since I lived in Pittsburgh, but there, too, as I recall. By every few miles, I mean 2-3 miles apart or so.
How did people walk to the grocery stores? 2-3 miles is an extremely long walk for groceries.
My local grocery store is only a 5 minute walk away. Its not some huge place with parking for 500 like you're accustomed to out in the 'burbs. Just a local grocery store, no parking, but it has a good selection of everything I need, and the food there is actually cheaper than the larger grocery stores nearby.
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How did people walk to the grocery stores? 2-3 miles is an extremely long walk for groceries.
Cities in the sunbelt are equivalent to suburbs in the Northeast.
Suburbs in the sunbelt are the equivalent to the exurbs in the Northeast.
Exurbs in the sunbelt are considered to be "way out in the sticks" in the Northeast.
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Western and Southern cities rarely have the density that pre-automobile east coast cities (and Chicago) have. As a result, development and commuting patterns are probably significantly different.
How did people walk to the grocery stores? 2-3 miles is an extremely long walk for groceries.
Good grief! First someone says I'm saying the stores aren't that close together, then another person comes along and says the opposite. Frankly, I don't think too many people ever walked to the grocery store, every time they shopped. I grew up in a streetcar suburb back in the 50s and 60s. My mom walked to the 'corner grocery store' (what we would call a convenience store today) but she drove to a supermarket for her weekly grocery shopping. If you're buying for a family, you've got a lot to bring back home.
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