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Old 11-04-2020, 07:58 AM
 
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The architecture and history, indeed it's one of the most impressive examples of such architecture.



It would be converted in to apartments as part of a larger development.

Similar large scale developments involving historic buildings including hospitals have been successfully carried out in the past.

Clayburn Hospital near London was one of a number of hospitals that were converted to housing, and it is now known as Repton Park.

The same thing has been done in numerous other hospitals, indeed a lot of celebrities bought apartments at the refurbished former Friern Hospital in North London and there are numerous other examples.

Whilst former military hospitals such as the Cambridge Military Hospital and Royal Haslar are being restored and incorporated in to developments.

Repton Park, formerly Claybury Hospital

Royal Haslar - Stylish Waterfront Residences

Weston Homes buys the Cambridge Military Hospital in Aldershot – a £60M resi-conversion scheme

LANCASTER MOOR HOSPITAL

Chevin Park (Former High Royds Psychiatric Hospital) - Avant Homes

Friern Hospital – It once Housed Jack The Ripper, Now Home To Various Pop Stars

Would You Sleep in These Asylum Hotels? - Architectural Digest

Well, here's what you do.


Put together a consortium of investors to re-develop the property. Write a business plan that shows how and when they will recoup their investment. Be sure to include sufficient information on current residential trends in the area to show that apartments in a former insane asylum will be attractive to typical homebuyers in the area. Calculate the tax implications for the municipality - costs of extending services vs. anticipated tas revenue. Will public schools have to be prepared for an influx of new residents? How about road and street construction? Road and street infrastructure that were sufficient for 100 or 200 doctors nurses and staffers in the 1960s will probably be insufficient for 500 apartments housing an average of more than one person each. Make up a parking plan. Every apartment will have at least one automobile. Negotiate with local utilities for the added services (for example, 500 electric meters and 500 individual electric services vs. one; ditto for water, internet, etc.) Determine the mechanical implications of 500 individual HVAC and sewer systems vs. one. Determine estimated costs for all construction and renovation. There are dozens if not hundreds of other factors I haven't written down that will determine whether there's any value to redeveloping this property, as well.


If there is profit in it, then it can happen. See how easy it is?


Methinks OP doesn't know anything about construction or planning or financing.
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Old 11-04-2020, 07:14 PM
 
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The architecture and history, indeed it's one of the most impressive examples of such architecture.



It would be converted in to apartments as part of a larger development.

Similar large scale developments involving historic buildings including hospitals have been successfully carried out in the past.

Clayburn Hospital near London was one of a number of hospitals that were converted to housing, and it is now known as Repton Park.

The same thing has been done in numerous other hospitals, indeed a lot of celebrities bought apartments at the refurbished former Friern Hospital in North London and there are numerous other examples.

Whilst former military hospitals such as the Cambridge Military Hospital and Royal Haslar are being restored and incorporated in to developments.

Repton Park, formerly Claybury Hospital

Royal Haslar - Stylish Waterfront Residences

Weston Homes buys the Cambridge Military Hospital in Aldershot – a £60M resi-conversion scheme

LANCASTER MOOR HOSPITAL

Chevin Park (Former High Royds Psychiatric Hospital) - Avant Homes

Friern Hospital – It once Housed Jack The Ripper, Now Home To Various Pop Stars

Would You Sleep in These Asylum Hotels? - Architectural Digest
Housing is in short supply in and around London. That’s why those projects made economic sense. Allentown on the other hand doesn’t need more housing and especially not housing that would be very expensive. Given what a developer would have to spend to make the building habitable, the cost of rest or purchase would have to be way outside what that market bears to make it attractive for redevelopment.
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Old 11-04-2020, 10:20 PM
 
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Not necessarily related, but congratulations to the Proper People for filming places like this, it would be a shame if it were torn down without a video of it. These guys approach abandoned sites with a reverence, much respect. I really need to support them via Patron. Love their work.
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Old 11-04-2020, 10:50 PM
 
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It's a shame they couldn't restore it and have it used as public housing, student housing, government offices, or a college.
It's a beautiful building and this seems like such a waste. Yes, it will cost money to refurbish it but it will also cost a lot to tear it down and it would cost a lot if the city/state has to actually build a new facility of any kind nearby.
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Old 11-05-2020, 02:06 AM
 
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It's a shame they couldn't restore it and have it used as public housing, student housing, government offices, or a college.
It's a beautiful building and this seems like such a waste. Yes, it will cost money to refurbish it but it will also cost a lot to tear it down and it would cost a lot if the city/state has to actually build a new facility of any kind nearby.
Gonna cost a LOT of money to tear down and recycle good materials but it cost them $2 million every year since 2010 to let it sit. They'll sell it. No one's interested in buying it with the hospital still standing, I guess because it's contaminated.

I posted a link to news articles, should have brought over the article below from July that says it will cost $12.7 million to tear it down, unless the company goes over budget.

So far they recovered a time capsule buried in June 1904. The state Historical and Museum Commission has it. It has newspapers from back then, coins, a copy of the bill ordering construction of the hospital and a list of all homeopathic physicians


Allentown State Hospital update: wrecking ball approaches following pandemic delay - Jul 10, 2020
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Contractors are now removing asbestos, lead and other hazardous materials in the buildings and soil...

The project consists of the demolition of 44 buildings on the nearly 200-acre site along Hanover Avenue. In January, General Services awarded a $12.7 million contract to Neuber Demolition and Environmental Services, a Gilbertsville-based firm.

Some preservationists and community members lament the decision to raze the hospital, pointing to what they see as historic value and architectural beauty. Nearly 7,000 people signed an online petition to preserve the buildings.

The hospital has cost taxpayers roughly $2 million annually in maintenance since its closure in 2010.

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There are a few news articles on google. As of right now, it's costing 2 million a year to let it sit since 2010. They're going to demolish it but recycle some of the materials which is what I like to hear. They're then going to sell the property to get income going again.

I read a blog that wanted part of it saved like the steel factory close to it that will be or is a museum now. Happy to hear that, my elderly neighbor who was like a grandfather to me worked there all his life.

Unfortunately no one stepped up to save the property to reuse it. It's a shame to lose it but they can't have it sitting there another 10 years costing money. I guess no one wanted to buy it with the hospital on the property because it's contaminated.
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Old 11-05-2020, 08:07 AM
 
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If there were money to be made by re-purposing a building complex on 200 acres on the river, don't you think a developer would already have approached the city or state about it? It's not like the existence of this property is a secret. I assure you that the local developers of residential properties of all types are all already completely familiar with the economics of the different potential uses of this property. People who put together investment packages of many millions of dollars to start projects that last for years, generally aren't so stupid that they overlook money making opportunities sitting there in front of them.
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Old 11-05-2020, 10:03 AM
 
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Not necessarily related, but congratulations to the Proper People for filming places like this, it would be a shame if it were torn down without a video of it. These guys approach abandoned sites with a reverence, much respect. I really need to support them via Patron. Love their work.
Yes, as what Happened to one gem in Chicago, as we both know. The century+ Cook County Hospital
that Hyatt corporation invested $140-million to renovate after closed a decade and in dire need or lost.
This video shows before and how bad inside especially it was and the result in completion as a Hyatt Hotel.
Sadly, this was not great timing this year for a new Hotel to open.

Chicago's Old former Cook County Hospital fully renovated and
what it looked like before like a miracle occured. Lots of history
and first for a hospital happened here as its legacy continues.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q4Nj-bcC6w

Another gem was the Art Deco Old Chicago Post Office. Was the Largest in the World and Sears
and Montgomery Ward used it to ship though the 20th century North America and to the World.

Developers fully renovated this gem and saved it from also a couple of decades being closed and
still leasing today. Of course again bad timing for this year.

Built in 1921 and added to in 1932 Chicago's Old Post Office is on the National list of Historic Buildings
Previous plans were a super-tall skyscraper here that British investors had grand plans for and eventually
sold it to a new developer who has invested in the existing building.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JybCK5k32F8

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When it comes to buildings of national importance, many countries allow appeal to national authorities in relation to preservation, listing and historic monuments.
Clearly the old Allentown Hospital could be saved if investors desired to. Preservationist could foil destruction plans if they fought its destruction. That could buy it time and stymie the new developer's plans. Still for saving there would have to be a repurpose for it intended and worth the investing to gain a profit to do so and that takes that type of investor. This is not a major city where housing is scarce or booming like a Sunbelt US city or suburban area. There is a similar hospital by Lebanon Pennsylvania that still functions as a VA (Veterans Hospital) run by the US government in multiple similar buildings that were renovated and the building saved. Still, the US Government does not save buildings not as government buildings and repurpose them for non-government functions or as memorials, monuments and museums.

Throughout American cities are awesome buildings lying in wait in disrepair to be saved. Preservationist may spare it from the wrecking ball and even get them as city landmark status. Still it takes Investors and corporations to do the job. There are great old Movie Palaces lying in wait and time and many others. Many got saved, many lost and many on the brink if not given the investment to save them. At least a roof must remain intact to buy them time.

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Old 11-05-2020, 12:21 PM
 
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Yes, as what Happened to one gem in Chicago, as we both know. The century+ Cook County Hospital
that Hyatt corporation invested $140-million to renovate after closed a decade and in dire need or lost.
This video shows before and how bad inside especially it was and the result in completion as a Hyatt Hotel.
Sadly, this was not great timing this year for a new Hotel to open.

Chicago's Old former Cook County Hospital fully renovated and
what it looked like before like a miracle occured. Lots of history
and first for a hospital happened here as its legacy continues.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q4Nj-bcC6w

Another gem was the Art Deco Old Chicago Post Office. Was the Largest in the World and Sears
and Montgomery Ward used it to ship though the 20th century North America and to the World.

Developers fully renovated this gem and saved it from also a couple of decades being closed and
still leasing today. Of course again bad timing for this year.

Built in 1921 and added to in 1932 Chicago's Old Post Office is on the National list of Historic Buildings
Previous plans were a super-tall skyscraper here that British investors had grand plans for and eventually
sold it to a new developer who has invested in the existing building.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JybCK5k32F8


Clearly the old Allentown Hospital could be saved if investors desired to. Preservationist could foil destruction plans if they fought its destruction. That could buy it time and stymie the new developer's plans. Still for saving there would have to be a repurpose for it intended and worth the investing to gain a profit to do so and that takes that type of investor. This is not a major city where housing is scarce or booming like a Sunbelt US city or suburban area. There is a similar hospital by Lebanon Pennsylvania that still functions as a VA (Veterans Hospital) run by the US government in multiple similar buildings that were renovated and the building saved. Still, the US Government does not save buildings not as government buildings and repurpose them for non-government functions or as memorials, monuments and museums.

Throughout American cities are awesome buildings lying in wait in disrepair to be saved. Preservationist may spare it from the wrecking ball and even get them as city landmark status. Still it takes Investors and corporations to do the job. There are great old Movie Palaces lying in wait and time and many others. Many got saved, many lost and many on the brink if not given the investment to save them. At least a roof must remain intact to buy them time.
Thanks for posting them. The video quality in that 2nd one is amazing. It's so smooth as they fly thru each space! Totally speechless how far technology has come
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Old 11-05-2020, 04:38 PM
 
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Yes, as what Happened to one gem in Chicago, as we both know. The century+ Cook County Hospital
that Hyatt corporation invested $140-million to renovate after closed a decade and in dire need or lost.
This video shows before and how bad inside especially it was and the result in completion as a Hyatt Hotel.
Sadly, this was not great timing this year for a new Hotel to open.

Chicago's Old former Cook County Hospital fully renovated and
what it looked like before like a miracle occured. Lots of history
and first for a hospital happened here as its legacy continues.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q4Nj-bcC6w

Another gem was the Art Deco Old Chicago Post Office. Was the Largest in the World and Sears
and Montgomery Ward used it to ship though the 20th century North America and to the World.

Developers fully renovated this gem and saved it from also a couple of decades being closed and
still leasing today. Of course again bad timing for this year.

Built in 1921 and added to in 1932 Chicago's Old Post Office is on the National list of Historic Buildings
Previous plans were a super-tall skyscraper here that British investors had grand plans for and eventually
sold it to a new developer who has invested in the existing building.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JybCK5k32F8


Clearly the old Allentown Hospital could be saved if investors desired to. Preservationist could foil destruction plans if they fought its destruction. That could buy it time and stymie the new developer's plans. Still for saving there would have to be a repurpose for it intended and worth the investing to gain a profit to do so and that takes that type of investor. This is not a major city where housing is scarce or booming like a Sunbelt US city or suburban area. There is a similar hospital by Lebanon Pennsylvania that still functions as a VA (Veterans Hospital) run by the US government in multiple similar buildings that were renovated and the building saved. Still, the US Government does not save buildings not as government buildings and repurpose them for non-government functions or as memorials, monuments and museums.

Throughout American cities are awesome buildings lying in wait in disrepair to be saved. Preservationist may spare it from the wrecking ball and even get them as city landmark status. Still it takes Investors and corporations to do the job. There are great old Movie Palaces lying in wait and time and many others. Many got saved, many lost and many on the brink if not given the investment to save them. At least a roof must remain intact to buy them time.
Somehow I don't see the demand for high end hotel space in Allentown, Pennsylvania to be at all comparable to that of Chicago, Illinois.
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Old 11-05-2020, 09:40 PM
 
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Somehow I don't see the demand for high end hotel space in Allentown, Pennsylvania to be at all comparable to that of Chicago, Illinois.
On the other hand, Billy Joel never wrote a song about Chicago (I don't think, LOL).

Been 38 years now, I can't friggin' believe how fast it went. But the words were prophetic about many areas in the U.S., not just PA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHnJp0oyOxs
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