[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by Sherylcatmom

If your posts are getting deleted, try sticking to what YOU experience, whether it's positive or negative. There are also systemic problems with this (and every) state; discussing these is critical to making a difference. In my experience, all viewpoints are welcome here. Try skipping the name-calling, stereotyping, and OT post-hijacking and your posts will remain. (This post of mine may get cut or deleted because I think discussing TOS may violate TOS, but that's okay -- if those are the rules, then I will abide when corrected.)

Can't discuss the lack of jobs, without discussing the causes: progressives and rural cleansers. Sometimes one person is both, though not always. Progressives tax and spend and regulate so much it drives businesses away in the name of "progress" (which is ever changing), the rural cleansers do about the same in the name of driving everyone away to create some sort of wilderness playground for the rich.

[BickleTravis]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

Obviously not every "flatlander" is some rich yuppy or welfare freeloader coming to destroy the state but there is a reason for these opinions: enough have come in and caused problems to get people riled up. Of course some of the biggest problems are the various socialists/hippies who invaded years ago, and the handful of rich yuppies who want to control the state and see it as their playground.

This.

[GypsySoul22]

I think you should just try to move, Travis.

I don't know why people put up with 'unhappy' situations. It's not going to get better so maybe you should up stakes and just find a better, cheaper place to live.

You sound relatively young. Why not go to Boston or the suburbs or NYC or some other town where there are more jobs? There are also many midsized cities great for single guys and gals in their early years.

Unless you and the other long time VTers plan to run out the 'flatlanders' with pitchforks and reclaim the land for Ethan Allen or someone, why not just go and get on with your life where you can work with your degree at something other than food service?

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by GypsySoul22

I think you should just try to move, Travis.

I don't know why people put up with 'unhappy' situations. It's not going to get better so maybe you should up stakes and just find a better, cheaper place to live.

You sound relatively young. Why not go to Boston or the suburbs or NYC or some other town where there are more jobs? There are also many midsized cities great for single guys and gals in their early years.

Unless you and the other long time VTers plan to run out the 'flatlanders' with pitchforks and reclaim the land for Ethan Allen or someone, why not just go and get on with your life where you can work with your degree at something other than food service?

^this. Anyone want to join the New Green Mountain Boys (and Girls these days)?

[looking4home]

Wow, this is a super-intense thread! A lot of passion and emotions running high, but that can be a good thing. Gypsy, do you know where you will be moving to yet? I hope you will let those who read the Vermont forum know before you go. Do you think you would have stayed if you would have found a good job, or were there other things that you didn't like about the state?

I'm just confused as to why it ever became a magnet for hippies/alternative types to begin with. Maybe because of people like the Nearings who started the back-to-the-land craze. Or perhaps because of the many artists/writers that had gravitated to Vermont over the years. When I used to think of New England I thought of tradition, stoicism and a people who were self-reliant, hard-working with a bit of a yankee puritanical streak. How it got from there to free-spirited hippies and alternative lifestyle progressives is beyond me.

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by looking4home

Wow, this is a super-intense thread! A lot of passion and emotions running high, but that can be a good thing. Gypsy, do you know where you will be moving to yet? I hope you will let those who read the Vermont forum know before you go. Do you think you would have stayed if you would have found a good job, or were there other things that you didn't like about the state?

I'm just confused as to why it ever became a magnet for hippies/alternative types to begin with. Maybe because of people like the Nearings who started the back-to-the-land craze. Or perhaps because of the many artists/writers that had gravitated to Vermont over the years. When I used to think of New England I thought of tradition, stoicism and a people who were self-reliant, hard-working with a bit of a yankee puritanical streak. How it got from there to free-spirited hippies and alternative lifestyle progressives is beyond me.

They largely came because it was about the only Eastern state they'd have any freedom in. The rest did their best to drive them out.

The Nearings are partly to blame though I'm surprised so many came to VT because of them when they left the state themselves and said the people here were too self-reliant and individualistic to them (they being marxists obviously who didn't like that).

[GypsySoul22]

My husband's co-worker who is about 55 years old said VT used to be a very cheap place to live so of course it attracted a lot of people looking to live 'cheaply.'

That would include hippies and alternative types who wanted to go back to the land or something.

[momnh]

Gypsy, where are you headed next? I saw in your post that your husband resigned. Do you have firm plans?

[Logs and Dogs]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

They largely came because it was about the only Eastern state they'd have any freedom in. The rest did their best to drive them out.

This is where I start to lose the thought process and logic behind the mentality of why some “native Vermonters” feel the need to blame or persecute (for lack of better terms) people who are not part of the “they” Arctichomsteader is referring to. Since there was a “they” that invaded Vermont and somehow voted themselves into power and changed the government, then “they” should have names and identities that can be tied to what “they” actually did. Blame them, not some poor 20 year old kid who might be going to college in VT from NY,CT, MA etc. “Friggin’ liberal white plate flatlander SOB”……

By that logic, I guess I should be blamed personally for slavery as I happen to be white and of European descent, right? I mean, I’m 35 years old so obviously I had a ton to do with the whole slavery and segregation thing………

I mean I get the idea of being proud of the state you are from etc. people should be. I guess it is easier to blame people from CT, NY, MA, etc. than to blame Grandpa who was actually in VT at the time. Feel free to fire up the new Green Mountain Boys, I think there are a few thousand pissed off Native Americans on reservations that might like to meet them and reclaim Vermont as well, as I believe they feel they were here first before the Boys were born………..now do you see why this begins to not make sense?

A lot is misplaced emotion loosely based on facts. Feel free to blame the housing prices on outta staters, most of the outta staters I know have modest cabins, lake houses or some yuppie condos. Many of my “native Vermonter” friends have the big arse Chitty County houses, should I generalize on that? I would guess that many a native Vermont farmer is now retired with at least some cash in their pockets thanks to outta staters. So when the family farm became an uncompetitive business model and 4th generation farmers have to sadly “sell-out” or face foreclosure due to back taxes etc. and an out of state builder or worse a yuppie from CT, NY or MA hands them a check for $400K for a business that is losing $40K per year, I guess those “white plates” are just driving those real estate prices up……..

All I’m saying is that sometimes the facts get clouded with emotion, some well deserved and a lot of it misplaced.

[arctichomesteader]

Well, yeah, not all "flatlanders" should be painted with the "troublemaker" brush. Most of the ones behind the problems stand out.

Let's give the Natives Chittenden County.