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A claim that is highly subjective. And all climates restrict what will grow, the same is true for Wellington, there are plants that require more cold/heat/rain/sun than Wellington can provide.
Subtropical gardening is also a reality for Washington and NYC.
If NYC has a Cfa climate, how is it closer to continental than subtropical?
And it's foolish to think a label will make anyone feel any different about any climate, I wish the name "Cfa" came with extra winter warmth, but it doesn't. I still live in a climate that averages above freezing in all months, most precipitation in the winter is in the form of rain, when it snows it doesn't stick around, the grass is pretty much green all winter, I see subtropical and "continental" vegetation planted side by side, and I still feel winter sucks. Call it whatever you want, but it's still the same thing at the end of the day.
According to who? Not Köppen or Trewartha.
New York is too cold to be more subtropical, because it's temperature range, makes it more continental. If the winters got warmer, then it would get "more" subtropical. Wellington can grow vastly more than New York, but I can't think of a single species that New York can grew, that Wellington couldn't.
Have you got any links showing subtropical gardens in New York? A couple of species of palms that can handle temperatures down to -20C, isn't subtropical gardening.
New York is too cold to be more subtropical, because it's temperature range, makes it more continental. If the winters got warmer, then it would get "more" subtropical. Wellington can grow vastly more than New York, but I can't think of a single species that New York can grew, that Wellington couldn't.
Have you got any links showing subtropical gardens in New York? A couple of species of palms that can handle temperatures down to -20C, isn't subtropical gardening.
Tmins haven't dropped to or below 0C in Wellington city since July 1965.
New York is too cold to be more subtropical, because it's temperature range, makes it more continental. If the winters got warmer, then it would get "more" subtropical. Wellington can grow vastly more than New York, but I can't think of a single species that New York can grew, that Wellington couldn't.
Have you got any links showing subtropical gardens in New York? A couple of species of palms that can handle temperatures down to -20C, isn't subtropical gardening.
"Too cold" is still subjective, and I don't feel that temperature range should matter, if New York was 10°F warmer overall (50/37 in Jan; 95/80 in July), would you feel as though it was more subtropical than Wellington? And I never said New York had the ability to grow more plant species than Wellington (maybe it does, idk), I said Wellington's climate also restricts what it can grow, and I'd bet that there are plant species that New York can grow and Wellington can't.
I don't have any links, I don't feel they're necessary. The amount of plant species native to the subtropics is mind blowing, and many of them grow/thrive/survive in environments colder than NYC, I don't get why that's so unbelievable. One of NYC's most famous trees is a Magnolia grandiflora (Subtropical U.S. native) planted in the 1800's, it's also a landmark. I didn't even mention palms, but why aren't they considered subtropical gardening? Rhapidophyllum hystrix is a Florida native, yet it isn't considered subtropical? Who made these rules?
"Too cold" is still subjective, and I don't feel that temperature range should matter, if New York was 10°F warmer overall (50/37 in Jan; 95/80 in July), would you feel as though it was more subtropical than Wellington? And I never said New York had the ability to grow more plant species than Wellington (maybe it does, idk), I said Wellington's climate also restricts what it can grow, and I'd bet that there are plant species that New York can grow and Wellington can't.
I don't have any links, I don't feel they're necessary. The amount of plant species native to the subtropics is mind blowing, and many of them grow/thrive/survive in environments colder than NYC, I don't get why that's so unbelievable. One of NYC's most famous trees is a Magnolia grandiflora (Subtropical U.S. native) planted in the 1800's, it's also a landmark. I didn't even mention palms, but why aren't they considered subtropical gardening? Rhapidophyllum hystrix is a Florida native, yet it isn't considered subtropical? Who made these rules?
Too cold isn't subjective. Growing citrus, olives, guava, passionfruit, potatoes etc isn't subjective, neither are bees producing honey on a range of mid winter flowering plants.
If NYC was 5C warmer, I would consider it more subtropical, because the combination of summer and winter warmth, would enable the best of both climates and would transform NYC as you know it.
Subtropical is a well known gardening genera and look. It's not a look I've ever seen in anything about NYC.
Magnolia isn't considered subtropical in NZ, and grows even in the far south. Rhapidophyllum is so cold hardy, that no conclusions can be reached about any climate where it grows - apart from the fact that it doesn't get below -23C/7F and that it needs a reasonable degree of heat.
Too cold isn't subjective. Growing citrus, olives, guava, passionfruit, potatoes etc isn't subjective, neither are bees producing honey on a range of mid winter flowering plants.
If NYC was 5C warmer, I would consider it more subtropical, because the combination of summer and winter warmth, would enable the best of both climates and would transform NYC as you know it.
Subtropical is a well known gardening genera and look. It's not a look I've ever seen in anything about NYC.
Magnolia isn't considered subtropical in NZ, and grows even in the far south. Rhapidophyllum is so cold hardy, that no conclusions can be reached about any climate where it grows - apart from the fact that it doesn't get below -23C/7F and that it needs a reasonable degree of heat.
It is a bit subjective, sure it's too cold for the things you listed (except Citrus), but those aren't the only subtropical plants on earth. Overall, I wouldn't say NYC looks subtropical, but subtropicals are definitely here and are apparent, trunking Yucca being among the most common. And while a 5°C boost would transform NYC (for the better lol), it isn't needed for it to look more subtropical, all NYC needs is for zone 7b/8a hardy subtropicals to continue growing in numbers.
Magnolias may not be considered subtropical in NZ, but they do originate from the subtropics.
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