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Old 01-05-2022, 01:32 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ area
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A 'conspiracy theorist' used to be someone who believed in some really really strange fringe ideas.
Not at all. The size of the group of believers has no bearing at all. Yes, most conspiracy theories also happen to be fringe ideas like what you cited but not all of them are. To be clear, the beliefs that election fraud occured at a significant enough rate to sway an election is a conspiracy theory that both Democrats (Russia) and Republicans (bad counts) are guilty of.

A conspiracy theory is just an alternative idea or explanation of events that is being covered up by powerful conspirators and is contrary to known facts; how many people believe in the conspiracy theory is irrelevant. To use your example, the earth is flat (the alternate idea) yet NASA (the powerful entity) pushes the belief that the earth is round (the known fact).

Only 23% of polled Americans believe there's strong evidence that voter fraud occured in 2020 and only 34% believe the election wasn't fair. Not that it matters but that is a pretty substantial minority.

The polling numbers have not changed much over the last year but it is important to note that they are also similar to the Trump numbers from 2016. Essentially, when one party wins the opposite party believes fraud/wrongdoing occured. The polling numbers are actually quite interesting; 34% of voters believe 2020 was NOT fair while 33% of voters believe 2016 was NOT fair.
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Old 01-05-2022, 09:33 AM
 
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What's the deal? There was no "forensic audit" - just a bunch of amateur conspiracy theorists who threw ballots around in an uncontrolled fashion... but thanks for making it so easy for us to know who to place on Ignore.
https://www.brighteon.com/019bcdbc-e...2-680cf83b6b19


AZ state senator saying different
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Old 01-05-2022, 09:36 AM
 
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So what? You're unaware that politicians pander to their base? You've proven that it's not completely futile for them to do so. Just look at the "news" source here. People fall for propaganda all the time.
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Old 01-05-2022, 09:42 AM
 
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So what? You're unaware that politicians pander to their base? You've proven that it's not completely futile for them to do so. Just look at the "news" source here. People fall for propaganda all the time.
You didn’t watch. She said confirmed tens of thousands of fraudulent votes
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Old 01-05-2022, 09:53 AM
 
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You didn’t watch. She said confirmed tens of thousands of fraudulent votes
It's already been explained to you that that isn't the case. Post #8 is a good starting point. She can say whatever she wants. It takes critical thought to see through the nonsense. That seems to be a rare skill among a certain set.
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Old 01-05-2022, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ area
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You didn’t watch. She said confirmed tens of thousands of fraudulent votes
This is called a lie. She is knowingly and willfully lying to gain support from the Republican base. The county should be releasing a statement today (Wednesday Jan 5th at 1:30 pm) regarding election ssecurity, specifically concerning the issues with the Cyber Ninjas audit. That's the one I'd be listening to not these crooked liars.

If they have confirmed tens of thousands of fraudulent votes then where's the proof?

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Old 01-05-2022, 01:17 PM
 
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100% of Independents and Democrats will tell you the election was legit. MOST Republicans will tell you the election was legit (including Maricopa County Supervisors), but some (OP) choose to believe the 5% fringe that just throw that out there with zero proof. Very odd.
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Old 01-05-2022, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ area
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"(W)e determined that nearly every finding included faulty analysis, inaccurate claims, misleading conclusions, and a lack of understanding of federal and state election laws," the county report said.
From the 93 page report released by Maricopa County today. As we all knew it has been a huge waste of time and money and nothing but lies and misinformation coming out of the kinds of people the OP follows.


Maricopa County report: https://www.maricopa.gov/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=2424

AZ Family article: https://www.azfamily.com/news/politi...lock_id=997196
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Old 01-06-2022, 05:26 AM
 
Location: Pinetop-Lakeside, AZ
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So what? You're unaware that politicians pander to their base? You've proven that it's not completely futile for them to do so. Just look at the "news" source here. People fall for propaganda all the time.
My, my keep the laughs coming. So when you agree, it is facts, but when you disagree then it is 'pandering to their base' and 'conspiracy theory'. You're so funny. If ever I were to take you out to lunch, I would have to buy you two plates, one for each face.
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Old 01-06-2022, 05:28 AM
 
Location: Pinetop-Lakeside, AZ
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The county should be releasing a statement today (Wednesday Jan 5th at 1:30 pm) regarding election ssecurity, specifically concerning the issues with the Cyber Ninjas audit.
In other words, they are going to pander to their base. Gotcha.


I'm just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy I see when I see it. I wish the whole damn thing would go away, too. But the county just had to have the last word????? After all this time, so to speak? Why? See the first sentence on this post.
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