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Not true, in 1945 the mainland was considered the property of the Republic of China headed by the KMT. The CCP was never a party, it was a rebellion that wanted to overthrow the established government.
When CCP managed to overthrow Republic of China it did not hesitate one second to change the name of the country, the flag, and the constitution without using the existing process.
well, I think you need to study more about chinese history.
CCP established as a party just over 100 years.
the CCP and KMT first worked together when the soviets helped sun and KMT established their first army in guanzhou. both the CCP and KMT were consider rebel at that time as they rebel against the "republic of china" ruled by yuan and then northern warlords
after the victory, KMT split into two government (one in nanjing that presecutes CCP, one in wuhan that supports CCP), then they fight / power play with war lords, and the one in nanjing led by chiang was victorious. then the KMT started to attack CCP governed territories. which led to the long march.
then the japanese attacks and the CCP and KMT works together again thanks to the xian incident. fighting starts again after WW2 as the civil war officially started and still has not ended. when the PRC was established on 10/1/1949, the KMT still held several territories in southern china such as canton and fujian.
no one overthrew any one between the CCP and KMT, they worked together and fought till this day.
well, I think you need to study more about chinese history.
CCP established as a party just over 100 years.
the CCP and KMT first worked together when the soviets helped sun and KMT established their first army in guanzhou. both the CCP and KMT were consider rebel at that time as they rebel against the "republic of china" ruled by yuan and then northern warlords
after the victory, KMT split into two government (one in nanjing that presecutes CCP, one in wuhan that supports CCP), then they fight / power play with war lords, and the one in nanjing led by chiang was victorious. then the KMT started to attack CCP governed territories. which led to the long march.
then the japanese attacks and the CCP and KMT works together again thanks to the xian incident. fighting starts again after WW2 as the civil war officially started and still has not ended. when the PRC was established on 10/1/1949, the KMT still held several territories in southern china such as canton and fujian.
no one overthrew any one between the CCP and KMT, they worked together and fought till this day.
You don't seem to get it. I am not saying the CCP did not exist, I am saying it is not a party in Republic of China.
To be a party, you need to work within the system. If you abandon the system, and change everything when you take over, then you are not a party.
Here is a question for you. If a group of employees overthrow the management, and then put themselves in charge and change everything. Do we call that an employee rebellion or party politics?
We've had troops stationed for how long in South Korea now? What about Subic Bay/Angeles City in the Philippines or Okinawa in Japan? Why not save all that money on stationing our military all around the world and earmark it to fix and replace our own infrastructure instead? For too long, the US has acted like a world guardian solving everyone else's problems but neglecting most of our own. We were able to afford it in 1954, we scarcely could afford it now.
Last time we did that WW II broke out. Do you want a nuclear repeat of that? The money spent at Subic Bay would not fix our infrastructure.
You don't seem to get it. I am not saying the CCP did not exist, I am saying it is not a party in Republic of China.
To be a party, you need to work within the system. If you abandon the system, and change everything when you take over, then you are not a party.
Here is a question for you. If a group of employees overthrow the management, and then put themselves in charge and change everything. Do we call that an employee rebellion or party politics?
then what is a party in the republic of china?
which version of the republic of are you talking about? the first "president" being yuan means that KMT did not exist either by your definition?
then KMT and CCP are both rebels then, as they fought the northern expedition war
I don't get your example at all, the "management" is also employees. just different positions. in any company, no employee can "overthrow" the stock holders/owners
then what is a party in the republic of china?
which version of the republic of are you talking about? the first "president" being yuan means that KMT did not exist either by your definition?
then KMT and CCP are both rebels then, as they fought the northern expedition war
I don't get your example at all, the "management" is also employees. just different positions. in any company, no employee can "overthrow" the stock holders/owners
I am talking about Republic of China after 1945, the KMT was recognized as the ruler of ROC and the CCP did not use the existing systems in ROC to take over power and they did not keep them after getting power, hence rebellion.
In terms of employee takeover, think a little bit wider than the USA in 2021. There are several of cases in the past where a group of employees have taken over a company and made themselves owner/management.
So when that happened, do we call it employee rebellion or party politics?
I am talking about Republic of China after 1945, the KMT was recognized as the ruler of ROC and the CCP did not use the existing systems in ROC to take over power and they did not keep them after getting power, hence rebellion.
In terms of employee takeover, think a little bit wider than the USA in 2021. There are several of cases in the past where a group of employees have taken over a company and made themselves owner/management.
So when that happened, do we call it employee rebellion or party politics?
well, in 1945, there really wasn't much "system" exists. both CCP and KMT fights and talks at the same time, there was no one party/government ruling the entirety of china (in fact, this did not happen until at least 6 month of the formation of the PRC, except for taiwan of course)
you have to remember that the US step in to talk to both parties to try to get them to stop fighting. what's funny at that time is that the western media is more supportive of the CCP than KMT due to the level of corruptions.
so the CCP did not rebel, nor did the KMT, they worked together and fight a few times. The KMT had the most control during the "golden years", the end of northern expeditions and before the japanese invasion.
even during those times, the KMT only controls the big cities, the CCP still controls the rural areas even after the long march. Not to mention the KMT never really had control of xinjiang, tibet, mongonia, and yunan
well, in 1945, there really wasn't much "system" exists. both CCP and KMT fights and talks at the same time, there was no one party/government ruling the entirety of china (in fact, this did not happen until at least 6 month of the formation of the PRC, except for taiwan of course)
That is not true, take a look at this article
The Republic of China was the clear dominating force in 1945.
a wiki?
how'd you think the CCP won? the wiki and you are making the same mistake as chiang.
chiang thinks that taking the CCP "capital" of yanan is the key to victory. oh he couldn't be more wrong.
again, the lowest point for the CCP was not 1945, it was forced long march. even at that time, the KMT do not control the entire china.
now in 1945, the KMT controls the big cities, but they do not realize that the CCP controls the rural areas and villages that surrounds the big cities. how the CCP won the war is with the rurals/villages surrounding big cities, isolating them one by one. The KMT cannot simply defend because guess what, they need food which comes from the CCP controlled villages.
the CCP was destined to became the dominate force when they opposed the soviet advisors and decides to focus their efforts in villages/rurals/countryside instead of big cities.
in 1945, the KMT only dominant on paper, due to their control of the big cities, but the realities is that the CCP has the majority of the control of the country as china's countryside outnumbers big cities by far.
I give you another example in chinese history. han and chu both rebel against the qin, they worked together to overthrow the qin and then fight the civil war. but you can't say han or chu is rebellious against each other because han or chu was once a dominant force?
you don't really know who dominates until the fighting starts
The KMT indeed was the dominating force, the Japanese surrendered to them. But the KMT was severely weakened by WWII. While the KMT/Republic of China troops were fighting the Japanese for almost ten years, the PLA and Mao were biding there time in the hills watching the Japanese ravish the countryside and killing indiscriminately (with limited exceptions). Mao in fact was still fighting ROC forces in hit and run attacks while ROC was trying to hold back the Japanese, a real D-bag move. ROC took horrendous losses in men and material fighting the Japanese while the CCP got stronger, helped by Stalin of course who liberally gave Mao's forces captured Japanese weapons.
It's telling that CCP owes it's existence to Tojo and Stalin.
I though they joined force to fight the Japanese?
The Communist party owed a lot of money to Russia,after taking over China,it takes years to pay back its debt in form of consumer goods -for some reason graphite shortage is problem with both countries.
Back then,there is hardly an overseas market for China made consumer goods,except in Eastern Europe,
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