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View Poll Results: Which of these will be producing vehicles at the end of the 2020s?
Bollinger 1 1.35%
Canoo 0 0%
Fisker 9 12.16%
Lordstown Motors 5 6.76%
Lucid Motors 17 22.97%
Rivian 34 45.95%
Other new American automaker (please specify) 0 0%
There will be no successful new American automaker 30 40.54%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 74. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-04-2020, 12:16 AM
 
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Why is every single entrant in your poll an electric vehicle? Is the question about the future of new American electric automakers, or automakers in general?
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Old 06-04-2020, 12:24 AM
 
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Why is every single entrant in your poll an electric vehicle? Is the question about the future of new American electric automakers, or automakers in general?
Because I knew of no serious new US automakers that have investment backing for going into commercial mass production of a gas, fuel cell, or other fuel type vehicle. If you know of one, then please add it!
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Old 06-07-2020, 04:49 PM
 
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Because I knew of no serious new US automakers that have investment backing for going into commercial mass production of a gas, fuel cell, or other fuel type vehicle. If you know of one, then please add it!
There are plenty of ICE vehicle manufacturers both domestic and foreign, therefore there is no need. The EV market is extremely small and smaller boutique makers can pop up and fill that need, but then there are the large automakers to think about. EV's will have to be mandated by government or ICE vehicles artificially restricted by government for their sales to grow.
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Old 06-07-2020, 07:56 PM
 
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There are plenty of ICE vehicle manufacturers both domestic and foreign, therefore there is no need. The EV market is extremely small and smaller boutique makers can pop up and fill that need, but then there are the large automakers to think about. EV's will have to be mandated by government or ICE vehicles artificially restricted by government for their sales to grow.
I agree there is plenty of automakers foreign and domestic making vehicles, or that the ICE vehicle makers now are the majority. My question is what are the new automakers now even if they benefit now from government incentives. One thing is that early automobiles have had comparatively favorable government incentives at the time and later on to sustain such. That does happen and it is unlikely to be completely discontinued now. With that reality in place, what are the other US automakers now that I did not mention which have a chance of doing well now?


Adam Smith, who was somewhat a fan of the free market, made a fuss about about domestic incubation of markets especially as a facet of national security. What is resource security of oil then? Who are the largest and most well-funded antagonists to the US and their relationship to oil? What is the economic benefit of being a forerunner for electric-powered vehicles?
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Old 09-02-2020, 02:41 PM
 
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https://electrek.co/2020/09/02/lucid...-quarter-mile/

Lucid Air beats out Tesla Model S Performance for quarter mile time with a sub 10 second (9.9 seconds) time. The Model S Performance along with the Porsche Taycan Turbo S have been gunning at each other for fastest mass production luxury sedan, and it looks like Lucid Air will be joining the fray. On top of that, and related due to the efficiency and large battery pack playing a part in that fast acceleration, Lucid sent a production Air to independent testers to take a whack at the EPA range test and it came back with a 517 mile range result.

There's supposedly a debut of sorts for it this month with deliveries projected for early 2021 which would make Lucid the first of this new crop of US automakers to actually deliver a production vehicle.

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Old 05-05-2021, 01:09 PM
 
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Rivian's supposedly launching its first two consumer passenger vehicles next month.


That would be their luxury pickup truck the R1T and their luxury suv the R1S


https://www.caranddriver.com/rivian/r1t
https://www.caranddriver.com/rivian/r1s


They've already launched a pilot of their Amazon delivery vans that are in use in Southern California, the San Francisco Bay Area, and the Denver area: https://electrek.co/2021/04/30/rivia...s-in-colorado/

So that's one of the automakers in the poll seemingly making it to production (either already in production if you count the delivery vans or wait several weeks for the consumer offerings).

Anyhow, looks like Rivian's first out of the gates.
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Old 05-05-2021, 01:12 PM
 
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I voted Lucid only because I have stock in them.
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Old 05-05-2021, 05:30 PM
 
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History should give you your answer. Where are Tucker automobiles ? How about Avanti, Bricklin, or the more recent AMC's ? It takes a whole lot of money and time to build a car company, and the general public wants a brand that has a proven track record and that has been around for a long time.

Good point. Look at Alfa Romeo: how many times have they entered the U.S. market only to leave a few years later as they suffer disappointing sales? That's a proud name, an established marque with a deep history, and even they can't get a solid foothold here.
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Old 05-08-2021, 05:52 AM
 
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Lucid and Rivian will be around. They will likely get bought out by someone bigger though.
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Old 10-05-2021, 07:54 AM
 
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Bumping this up as Rivian has become the first and thus far only one of these US upstarts to have delivered a mass production vehicle to customers. Supposedly Lucid's just about ready to do the same with the Lucid Air. The question was about who would still be producing in the 2020s which is still unclear, but it looks like at least two of them will reach the prerequisite of going into production in the first place.
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