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Really, I didn't know any of that. The Indians had to save the commies from themselves. I won't bother with the Daily Kos link. It's the left wing equivalent of Breitbart.
Here's what leftists don't understand. Nobody thinks we should not have any government at all except for a bizarre few and they're welcome to live in the mountains or in Alaska. What we seek is local and state control of our matters. An efficient one-size-fits-all government is impossible for a country the size of the US.
Education, sewers, public safety (not national security), dispute resolution, road maintenance, and about 95% of government matters can be handled at the local and state level, where people close to the situation are better equipped to govern. If you want to live in a high tax area with host of public services, such as NJ or CA, have at it, but why should the guy living in Buford, WY pay taxes for those services?
Hey, you'll get no argument from me as it applies to U.S. State vs Federal but that's not what you implied in the post I responded to vis-a-vis "individualism".
The salient part of the KOS link was the blue quote summation I included in anticipation of your discounting the message due to the messenger anyway.
Compared to "progressive" Canada, "regressive" United States had a minority president, higher percentage of women in power (politics and business), immigrants that have a higher probability of success, several states where pot is already legal......
It still amazes me how people even living so close to the US (Canadians) fail to realize how diverse the United States is as a country.
Furthermore, it is interesting that some individual liberties are considered "regressive"......why legal gun ownership is regressive instead of progressive?? Who or what make it so?? Why "trust in government" is more progressive??
Dude you moved from Italy to Canada then to the U.S., like years ago.
Why do you even bother commenting on Canada when you have almost nothing constructive to say about the country? Perhaps to have others validate and give you a pat on the back, that you made the right decision to move away and how inferior and disaster of a country Canada is compared to America? Cuz if that's what you are looking for just say it like it is and I'll gladly give you a pat on the back, but don't keep pulling this passive aggressive BS just to provoke a knee-jerk response from Canadians.
Dude you moved from Italy to Canada then to the U.S., like years ago.
Why do you even bother commenting on Canada when you have almost nothing constructive to say about the country? Perhaps to have others validate and give you a pat on the back, that you made the right decision to move away and how inferior and disaster of a country Canada is compared to America? Cuz if that's what you are looking for just say it like it is and I'll gladly give you a pat on the back, but don't keep pulling this passive aggressive BS just to provoke a knee-jerk response from Canadians.
I think the blind knee-jerk reaction is exactly from you....actually my comments are more often than not very informative and constructive (people thanking me for that via PM or quick reputations)
I simply replied to the misinformed comment of the original poster about how much more progressive Canada is compare to the US....my quote was a direct response and perfectly on topic.
Maybe I hit the nail in the head triggering your agitated reply?? Maybe actually some fellow Canadians wants to be patted in the back in an echo chamber about how much more progressive Canada is......
Well, if nothing else we now have a new "sort of insult" added to the usual ones tossed by Americans towards Canada: "collective". Geez, just one level removed form "hive".
Let's see, we're insignificant and supposedly never thought of but, when we are it's adjectives like socialism, inferiority, obsessed, among all the usual petty crappola and now "collectivism" that spring to mind.
Refresh my memory here; what country of origin is the thread starter with his "more progressive" premise? What country of origin are the major objectors to this premise?
Why are we getting the insults tossed our way again? Oh yeah, Americans taking the pizz out of each other with us once again caught in the middle having no choice but to either defend ourselves or let the insults fly unchallenged. Wonderful little game they have going, eh?
Please go back to "never thinking about Canada at all", please.
Well, for the most part Canadians are postmodern liberals, like most Europeans. Of course, the modern infrastructures of democracy and capitalism are still in place in these societies, but postmodern liberals are chastened by the collapse of socialist utopias and so they only gesture towards living up to modern ideals of skepticism, equality, and human rights. Like the US, these societies are stable and so they avoid extremes or else their opposite extremes balance each other out.
But whereas European culture is informed by a long, rich history, Canadian liberalism has no prior traditions to fall back on, the premodern native Canadian ones notwithstanding. There’s British Parliamentary procedure, but Canadians haven’t felt emotionally tied to Britain for a long time. And so Canadians find themselves coping with the cultural vacuum that remains after the loss of faith in modern myths. European liberals have their countries’ long histories and the US is special for the depth of its conservative backlash against modernism, but alas, Canada is uniquely vapid among developed nations.
This cultural emptiness is apparent from Canada’s multiculturalism and political correctness, and from its fetishes for politeness and technocratic efficiency. I’m a Canadian citizen, I grew up in Canada, and I remember learning about the difference between Multiculturalism and the Melting Pot. Canada welcomes immigrants from all over the world and allows them to retain their native cultural identities, whereas in the US, which is also home to many immigrants, they assimilate by converting to the American faith. Canada is like a patchwork quilt or a hotel, whereas the US is more like a homogeneous stew. However, immigrants to Canada have no choice but to keep to themselves and to practice their native traditions, since Canada has no distinguishing modern traditions.
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If most Canadians were asked to explain their liberal values or to prove to a terrorist, for example, that human rights and liberties should be respected, they’d repeat some slogans they’d heard in the mainstream media and then they’d sputter, fall silent, and hang their heads. Because Canadian liberalism derives from modernism and Canadians haven’t had the history or the stomach for an American-style backlash, Canadian Christianity is a sad, dejected Frankenstein’s monster, a jumbled abomination that you never take out of your closet because it’s so hideous. Most Canadians couldn’t appeal to God’s will or to the words of the Bible to justify their morality, because they’re too liberal (modern) to do so with a straight face. Meanwhile, the secular, rationalistic defenses of liberal values have come to naught in the postmodern limbo, so Canadians can only smile and nod like Stepford wives.
Canadians are currently lounging in the dire peace that comes from lethargy as the modern Western civilization as a whole wanes, as postmodern liberals surrender to the fate of modernity. They have the narrow-mindedness of a body that’s shutting down in reaction to lethal forces. Their ossified infrastructures run on autopilot as Canadians defer to the technocrats to maintain social stability at all costs. Again, Europe and the US have compensatory strategies to delay the inevitable and to distract the masses from appreciating the meaninglessness of their lives, but Canadians aren’t so lucky. The bankruptcy of modern myths and ideals is on display in liberal Canada and Canadians lack even a curtain to cover their shame as the modern show winds down on their stage. If it can bear the pitiful spectacle, the world can watch liberal Canadians acting out their roles as modern, civilized, rational and free citizens. But the performance is absurdly hollow and the viewer can’t help but fidget in her seat, waiting for some plot to transpire, for some character growth or action sequence or powerful dialogue or even just for the peanut vender to hurry down the aisle so the spectator has some amusement to pass her time.
So while Americans would do well to appreciate the strengths of Canadian society, they can’t be expected to do so because Canadian anticulture wards off outsiders. However, boredom with Canada is actually a defense mechanism. Canadians sometimes say that the US is the canary in the coalmine, that what happens just south of the border is bound to catch up with Canada. But in some ways Canada’s the canary, which is to say that disenchantment with modern ideals may be more apparent there than elsewhere.
Recently Trudeau said that Canada had "no core identity, no mainstream", that it was "first postnational state". Canary in the coalmine indeed.
I moved to the US last year after living in BC and Quebec and find the place much better. People in Canada think it's great to work for a branch of an American company because Canadian companies have no money and technology is behind. Quebec forces immigrants to learn French while business people of Quebec congratulate themselves on their achievements in English that empower them to communicate with outside world (and get paid from outside). What a joke. Canadian companies are failing, there are massive layoffs, bailouts, their stock prices collapse, there's little innovation, workplaces are like cemeteries (and I've been to lots of them). National currency went down 25% just because price of black sludge coming out of earth collapsed.
Sounds progressive to you? I don't care about how cute Trudeau is and the rest of progressive bundle, it all just doesn't matter for people leading regular lives, and probably even harms them more that do any good.
I hope this social experiment will be contained and the canary doesn't find its way. Would hate to see place like the US turning into something like Canada, just 10 time bigger, it would be just horrible.
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The most progressive areas of the United States, is the Northeast, DC, Chicago, the state of Minnesota, Denver, and the West Coast.
I wonder how those regions and cities compare to progressive Canada. Are the progressive areas of the United States more like Canada than they are the Southern United States?
Is Chicago more like Toronto or Phoenix?
Is Seattle more like Vancouver or Atlanta?
Is New York City more like Montreal or Houston?
Just how progressive are the most progressive of American cities? Not very? Somewhat? Quite?
The most progressive areas of the United States, is the Northeast, DC, Chicago, the state of Minnesota, Denver, and the West Coast.
I wonder how those regions and cities compare to progressive Canada. Are the progressive areas of the United States more like Canada than they are the Southern United States?
Is Chicago more like Toronto or Phoenix?
Is Seattle more like Vancouver or Atlanta?
Is New York City more like Montreal or Houston?
Just how progressive are the most progressive of American cities? Not very? Somewhat? Quite?
Culture isn't a binary, it's basket of attributes, so impossible to say, in some respects they more resemble Canada, and in others they more resemble the Southern States.
I will say that Americans, both liberal and conservative, often view the average English Canadian as essentially being an American Democrat politically. This is not quite accurate. Certainly, the average opinions would lean in that direction, but at the end of the day Canada is a different context and country and it isn't so. For example, American conservatives seem to often assume we have a problem with their opposition to illegal immigration. By and large, Canada is law and order about illegal immigration to our country and local people do not object to this. We also have political issues unique to our country, like separatist and federalist politics in Quebec, regionalist politics in other jurisdictions in the West and Newfoundland primarily, the historical divide between the NDP and the Liberals and its legacy on how Canadian "progressives" imagine themselves (ie. not as a monolith), different gun politics, different identity politics (especially around race) etc.
Yes, because children born to single parents prosper so much better than those born into a nuclear family. I want nothing to with such a vision and God help us if it happens. Will kids get their values from the state in this little utopia you propose?
I don't know why you think no marriage = single parent kids. You need to work on your logic. Two parents can raise a kid without getting married.
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Maybe actually some fellow Canadians wants to be patted in the back in an echo chamber about how much more progressive Canada is......
