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Old 06-18-2020, 05:06 PM
 
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However, while life is not always fair, we should always strive to make it more fair.

Within reason sure why not. But lots of people speed while driving but only a few get tickets. Is that fair? Since you cannot catch everyone the only solution is to not write tickets. Or your personal solution is if you don't want to be singled out for a ticket, do not speed.



Sometimes making responsible decisions is the solution to fairness.
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Old 06-18-2020, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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So I read through all of them, twice forward and once backward, and definitely didn't find one thing that reasonably points to racism. But, of course, it doesn't take much for you to make that charge, does it?

Did you read the sentence you wrote in that post? I did. And trust me, I do not get offended at strangers' opinions of me. I'm far too ahead in life to worry about my personal image to people who I only know as a clever screen name. I am actually 100% positive I'm not racist, and I'm sure my black stepdad, mixed brothers/sisters, and mixed son would agree.
I just read through them all, too. On the one hand you're correct. You've not said anything racist. There's an awfully lot of ego in your posts.

But what's interesting is that I didn't accuse you of being racist. When I said, "Let me boil it down for you: Either actually listen and then make needed changes, or suffer the consequences", the "you" was the "royal you", not the you you. But you jumped to the wrong conclusion.

This morning there was a news article about a female police officer who was frustrated and nearly crying because she seemed to be being ignored by McDonalds. So she did a video about how she shouldn't be treated badly because of some bad cops. But then she said something that is exactly what the problem is in this country in terms of racial issues. She said that this will all just blow over. And that's what they've counted on every time...that it will all just blow over without the need for anything to change. I think maybe this time that's not true.
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Old 06-18-2020, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Within reason sure why not. But lots of people speed while driving but only a few get tickets. Is that fair? Since you cannot catch everyone the only solution is to not write tickets. Or your personal solution is if you don't want to be singled out for a ticket, do not speed.



Sometimes making responsible decisions is the solution to fairness.
It seems odd to me that anyone would argue against making society more fair.
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Old 06-18-2020, 08:03 PM
 
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It seems odd to me that anyone would argue against making society more fair.

I think we have made great strides making things more fair. Explain what you think needs to change to make society more fair?
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Old 06-18-2020, 10:33 PM
 
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I think we have made great strides making things more fair. Explain what you think needs to change to make society more fair?
I can tell you one thing he doesn't want - to make African-Americans more accountable and personally responsible for their own actions and choices.
Libs just love patting them on the head.
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Old 06-19-2020, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Mooresville, NC
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After serious thought, I found something that should really put things in perspective...



https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...11&d=null&vh=i
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Old 06-19-2020, 09:23 AM
 
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So here was my stupidity. I said, M'am, please, let's calm down and have intelligent conversation.

You say "my stupidity" in jest, but actually it was. It shows a complete inability to know how to talk to someone, especially in a customer-facing role. Since you seemingly don't realize why the bolded statement was condescending and belittling, I'll explain.

When someone is fired up telling them to "calm down" is one of the worst things you can do. That statement says: "I'm not hearing you. I don't particularly care what you have to say. (Even though you're clearly fired up meaning that this is really important to you), I feel the importance you're placing on this is irrational. I'm finding the way you're saying something to be more important than what you're saying."

Never mind the fact that the "intelligent conversation" bit implies that all conversation before that was "unintelligent."
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Old 06-19-2020, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Much of this abuse is due to socialism - compulsory charity and confiscation of surplus.
Which really amounts to subsidizing the "takers" at the expense of the "makers."
Human nature being what it is, most will endeavor to be useless takers enjoying the fruits earned by the makers.
Thus government rewards parasites and penalizes the hard working donors. Inevitably that shifts the 'moral compass' of a society to favor those who can get more wealth and power by being "offended."
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to recognize that penalizing good and rewarding bad will corrupt society.
And as the "takers" gain majority, and vote their self interest, the government officials become craven poltroons, impotent and incompetent at securing the rights of the donors.
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Old 06-20-2020, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Texas
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We often hear of a CEO, politician, or celebrity of some sort being fired, demoted, or punished because they made a statement that was not received well by "oppressed group #1" or "oppressed group #2", etc. Is this a process of the free market, as many would argue, or is it that people are getting far too sensitive in this country and they want everyone to think the same? Who sets that moral compass? It seems that there are groups who want to define the tone for morality and values in the country.
Those in power positions like CEOs, politicians and celebrities are certainly welcome to whatever opinions they desire to hold. No one is disputing that.

If they lack the wisdom and personal discipline to keep abhorrent opinions to themselves, then they have to be prepared for the consequences.

Powerful individuals "kicking down" on any oppressed group is not simply bad manners. It's scapegoating and intimidation that isn't acceptable for any rational adult, regardless of their position.

Your use of parenthesis indicates that perhaps you hold an opinion that various oppressed groups aren't really oppressed?

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People want to have their own beliefs, and at the same time desire others to believe the same as they. Is this acceptable in your opinion? Is any certain moral standpoint superior to another? Why do we punish those whose thoughts/ opinions don't line up with what may be considered popular? You can say this happens with a variety of social issues, just pick one. I personally believe it's dangerous to our freedom as a country and a people, to be reluctant to express personal views for fear of retribution.

We should always stand for justice - this is truth! But should we bully others until they agree with us on other issues? This is a very popular tactic being used today. Say something that suits their agenda, and you're safe. This has been done before in history - and had dire consequences eventually.


Check this out for some perspective on different cultures of morality and where my discussion is coming from: https://youtu.be/XeecFbviXt0
Powerful people are never bullied. They occupy the seats of authority and influence. If they behave badly, then we "little people" will raise a ruckus, but that's in no way bullying.

They're held accountable for lacking good judgement and/or acting irrationally.

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Old 06-20-2020, 01:07 PM
 
Location: NYC
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America has never had freedom of speech, it should be amended or cautioned to anyone who believes in free speech. However if you're a public figure and leader you should always stay out of politics or say something not to offend anyone. Because it is not in your or the company's interest to side with anyone on a political issue.

Or you do what Jeff Bezos does which is lie about it and don't do anything. He could care less about COVID19 and BLM, he cares about his business and making money from it. Personally that's where I stand too because COVID19 will make a lot of business rich and cause the competition to dry up. BLM also has the huge side of generating a lot of money for some businesses as long as they pretend they care and people will continue to do business.

Amazon is selling a lot of BLM merchandises. So Jeff Bezos obviously cares enough about it.
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