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Old 06-20-2020, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Because the purpose of shooting a belligerent detainee when deadly force is warranted isn't for them to say "ow that hurts." The purpose is to neutralize the threat they pose. The quickest and surest way to do that is to aim for center mass.



Not to mention that most rounds fired by cops in the heat of battle do NOT strike their target about 70% of the time. Look it up, the numbers vary widely but it's always well under 50%.

If you're aiming at a skinny target vs center of mass, odds increase that the target will be missed. But that round is still traveling downrange. None of us wants to be in its trajectory.
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Old 06-20-2020, 01:03 PM
 
Location: NYC
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There was a recent incident that happened in front of one of our stores a couple months ago...


Police pulled over this car and the guy in the passenger seat happened to be wanted, the guy bolted out of the door and ran up a short drive to a car repair shop, that sits beside our gas station, police claim he pointed his gun at them and fired...but on our video surv cameras, it showed that the guy pointed the gun straight up in the air and fired, (he never once pointed it in the direction of police).


Of course, since he was wanted, majority of people just believed the cops story! We talked to a few local news media about the footage we had, but NONE of them was interested. I cannot believe that!
The guy should not have ran and that's the problem with dumb criminals. The smart ones just go quietly because they know the system. No need to run, the cops are trained to go after you.

As for the justification for shooting at the criminal, if a criminal just shot the gun in the air and not at them it's a way of trying to scare the cops and hope he can buy time and run. That is a tactic, because this criminal knows if he fires back the cop will do also.

Look, whenever a criminal uses a weapon and threatens the police whether they shot at or didn't as long as they had a weapon in hand and fired it. There is justification to use force because you don't know what is running through their minds. When you are under arrest you're supposed to drop your weapon and remain silent. Not run, not draw a weapon.

Don't resist and don't run. You have a better chance beating the system at court than trying to dodge a bullet.
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Old 06-20-2020, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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There was a recent incident that happened in front of one of our stores a couple months ago...


Police pulled over this car and the guy in the passenger seat happened to be wanted, the guy bolted out of the door and ran up a short drive to a car repair shop, that sits beside our gas station, police claim he pointed his gun at them and fired...but on our video surv cameras, it showed that the guy pointed the gun straight up in the air and fired, (he never once pointed it in the direction of police).


Of course, since he was wanted, majority of people just believed the cops story! We talked to a few local news media about the footage we had, but NONE of them was interested. I cannot believe that!
It doesn't matter if he pointed it at them or not. He fired a gun, in public, with no regard for where that round ended up, while fleeing the police. In most jurisdictions merely being an armed fleeing felon gives police the green light to stop you with deadly force.
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Old 06-20-2020, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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I'm not denying the bad guy did a bad thing. I'm saying the cop screwed up when he said he was afraid for his life because a taser was pointed at him. That's all. If use of deadly force is ok, or at least--has been supported by the courts, because someone has resisted arrest and grabbed a non-lethal weapon from the cop, then the cop didn't need to say anything, did he? He didn't need to justify his use of deadly force by claiming his life was in danger, because the cop handbook, or court/legal precedent, or whatever, already had him covered.

It's interesting, how cops' first instinct is to lie.
So is the expectation that police officers should be ok to get tazed on a daily basis? Once in awhile suffer a non-mortal stabbing....of course being bit, punched in the face etc.? If you went into the office and at least weekly someone would come up to you and do that would you be ok with it? No, of course not. The police deal with society's grossness every day and they have to be able to protect themselves.

You pull a weapon on the police when they're trying to arrest you, you're likely going to die. If you are being wrongfully arrested, say nothing until your attorney arrives and they are going to make things better. Try and go Rambo on the cops, and they'll shoot you down dead. I see absolutely nothing wrong with this.

The police has a right to defend themselves and all of us non-criminals. Minneapolis was wrong because there didn't appear to be any reason to exert deadly force. That's murder and police must know when and have rules of engagement. This clown in Atlanta. Dude, sorry if nobody told you this before....but never pull a weapon on the police. All they are going to do is take you into custody. You ask for your lawyer. Lawyer will get you to go home.
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Old 06-20-2020, 05:21 PM
 
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Anyone who thinks a person other than an armed police officer should respond to a domestic violence call can't be serious.
Of course they're serious because they know better than anybody else ... And there's millions of these people who know best. Of course they have never been on a ride-along with at the police department in a inner city gang/high crime rate area, or in a life-and-death situation.


Video from early 2015. Of course they (the community organizer and the news reporter) know something's going to happen ... And it's also daylight, much easier to see.

https://youtu.be/yfi3Ndh3n-g

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Old 06-20-2020, 06:24 PM
 
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Due to the recent issue related to the Rayshad Brooks murder, should cops be barred from using tasers? The officer that shot Brooks said he feared for his life when Brooks got the officer's taser in his (Brooks') hand. Tasers were always looked at "safer" option rather than shooting an alleged suspect with a gun. It can't be both safe and unsafe if an officer fears for his and other's lives with it... It is one or the other.
Feared for his life? Tasers are not life threatening.
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Old 06-20-2020, 07:13 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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So is the expectation that police officers should be ok to get tazed on a daily basis? Once in awhile suffer a non-mortal stabbing....of course being bit, punched in the face etc.? If you went into the office and at least weekly someone would come up to you and do that would you be ok with it? No, of course not. The police deal with society's grossness every day and they have to be able to protect themselves.

You pull a weapon on the police when they're trying to arrest you, you're likely going to die. If you are being wrongfully arrested, say nothing until your attorney arrives and they are going to make things better. Try and go Rambo on the cops, and they'll shoot you down dead. I see absolutely nothing wrong with this.

The police has a right to defend themselves and all of us non-criminals. Minneapolis was wrong because there didn't appear to be any reason to exert deadly force. That's murder and police must know when and have rules of engagement. This clown in Atlanta. Dude, sorry if nobody told you this before....but never pull a weapon on the police. All they are going to do is take you into custody. You ask for your lawyer. Lawyer will get you to go home.
Did you read the part of my post, that said I'm not denying the bad guy did a bad thing? Because it doesn't sound like it. If the police have the right to defend themselves, the cop didn't need to claim he feared for his life, did he? No, he didn't. Because he had the right to defend himself. he didn't need to lie about it to justify his RIGHT to defend himself by saying he was scared. lol. Or his RIGHT to try to neutralize a bad guy who stole his (non-lethal) taser.
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Old 06-20-2020, 09:15 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Feared for his life? Tasers are not life threatening.
Completely untrue. It can kill people who are prone to seizures and it immobilizes the police officer who are equipped with guns that can be taken by the criminal.

Let's give a different perspective, what should the cop do to subdue this man? Even if guns or tasers are not involved, people like you would complain about police brutality because it fits the current narrative of police brutality.

If this guy broke free and resists the police would have to use a choke hold in order to get him to submit.

The reason choke holds exist because it is part of the training to subdue suspects that just won't submit to an arrest.

I invite anyone who disagrees to go be a cop and try to subdue this suspect who resist arrest. It is the current tactics by any criminal these days to resist in order to get the police to dish out some blow that may end up making the police get in trouble with the media sensationalizing another police brutality story.

Honestly, what should the cops do here instead of shooting him. Get tasered by the criminal? I bet if you were in the same position you would fire your weapon instead of getting tasered.
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Old 06-20-2020, 11:25 PM
 
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I think Tasers were issued so that LEO's would have a non-lethal option for subduing violent suspects.

So no, I don't think they should be banned.



What may surprise many here is, SCOTUS ruled nearly ten years ago that LEO's have no obligation to protect and serve! That explains their indifference to certain citizen complaints in our state.


https://www.overlawyered.com/2011/12...ou-yes-really/
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Old 06-20-2020, 11:35 PM
 
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No, tasers are excellent because they are non lethal most of the time and they also do the job of stunning the person for a while. It is something a cop can use if he feels he is under physical non gun threat, and leave his gun as a last ditch back up...The taser is great, so is pepper spray - which i don't know if officers even have but it wouldn't hurt.
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