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Old 04-14-2014, 07:28 PM
 
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Originally Posted by GHOSTRIDER AZ View Post
I read the post of open boarders supporters andI do not understand the basic question?
Why should we let Illegals come in this country and why do the open boarders people think they have a legal right to cross without the world wide acceptance of Pass Ports, Visa and work permits?

None of these people have answer this question?

Never mind the question "why should the US Grant anyone any status once Illegals crossed the US Boarder. Other countries deport with passion!
Dude, please, open borders. Boarders are people who purchase lodging.......

 
Old 04-14-2014, 07:31 PM
 
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Follow the money. Companies are profiting billions of dollars through illegal immigrants. It wouldn't happen otherwise.
Not all illegals are working --- once they start having US citizen babies they don't have to work anymore and often couldn't afford the high cost of day care here even if they wanted to work.

One of my illegal neighbors has 4 USA born kids her first child was born in Mexico and she left him behind and hasn't seen him in 16 years -- but she hasn't worked here for over a decade, with food stamps, housing vouchers, Medicaid, free meals in the free schools, there isn't much need for her to work.

The fact that many drop out of the work force is one reason the employers need a constant fresh supply.
 
Old 04-14-2014, 07:40 PM
 
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Sorry, I disagree, they must all go back to their homelands and apply to come back legally. How in the world do you determine that 10% should be evaluated and 90% deported no questions asked? How do you know that part of the 90% aren't more worth keeping if you don't evaluate them also under your scenario?
I would deport all non-whites, no questions asked. And you're right, some percentage of that 90% would be worth allowing while some of the 10% would be sent home. But it's a question of cost and practicality.
 
Old 04-14-2014, 07:44 PM
 
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I already did regardless of his excuses. The excuses are quite lame.
The excuses are lame because I just made them up. Again, it's beside the point. He's a "lawbreaker" and therefore bad for the country. So bad in fact, that he should be deported immediately. That's your position?
 
Old 04-14-2014, 09:48 PM
 
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I would deport all non-whites, no questions asked. And you're right, some percentage of that 90% would be worth allowing while some of the 10% would be sent home. But it's a question of cost and practicality.
Uh; I'd deport ALL illegal aliens. I'll gladly take a "Black" Dominican here legally over a white person from Ireland here illegally.
 
Old 04-14-2014, 10:37 PM
 
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Uh; I'd deport ALL illegal aliens. I'll gladly take a "Black" Dominican here legally over a white person from Ireland here illegally.
 
Old 04-15-2014, 04:59 AM
 
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Dude, please, open borders. Boarders are people who purchase lodging.......
OPPS a miss usage in words should not derail the topic. Their those who regard immigration like going from NY to LA. The Open Borders (See correct usage you happy?) The Employer or some them may be the problem, but are being arrested along with their Illegal employees.

Yet still no one is willing , from the point of view of the Illegal Immigrant to come forward to be honest.

"Why do you think there should be open entry in the US"

The answer more than likely is because" I can"

That is the problem right there!

True reform we must start fresh and the 11 million that are here could be divided in groups. If you broke any laws regard fraud and identity theft (never mind the serious crimes) get deported.
the Illegal have value to the country you can stay pay taxes and fines. But must meet the requirements in a set time frame.

Labors need to go home period.

You choose to make fun or say "Its hard to understand", but the fact is you get. We are countries of laws and we do have borders that separate us from Canada and Mexico.
 
Old 04-15-2014, 09:10 AM
 
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Originally Posted by GHOSTRIDER AZ View Post
OPPS a miss usage in words should not derail the topic. Their those who regard immigration like going from NY to LA. The Open Borders (See correct usage you happy?) The Employer or some them may be the problem, but are being arrested along with their Illegal employees.

Yet still no one is willing , from the point of view of the Illegal Immigrant to come forward to be honest.

"Why do you think there should be open entry in the US"

The answer more than likely is because" I can"

That is the problem right there!

True reform we must start fresh and the 11 million that are here could be divided in groups. If you broke any laws regard fraud and identity theft (never mind the serious crimes) get deported.
the Illegal have value to the country you can stay pay taxes and fines. But must meet the requirements in a set time frame.

Labors need to go home period.

You choose to make fun or say "Its hard to understand", but the fact is you get. We are countries of laws and we do have borders that separate us from Canada and Mexico.
But you did advocate for visa fraud a few days ago on another topic (even saying that you knew people that had done it), why do you have this hypocrisy in regards to illegal immigration? You've commented about deporting asylum and refugee candidates on another post. How do you resolve the conflict of those "laws" within yourself?
 
Old 04-15-2014, 11:11 AM
 
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But you did advocate for visa fraud a few days ago on another topic (even saying that you knew people that had done it), why do you have this hypocrisy in regards to illegal immigration? You've commented about deporting asylum and refugee candidates on another post. How do you resolve the conflict of those "laws" within yourself?
No I do not endorse fraud on any level when it comes to Visa, Pass ports and the big trouble Identity theft. All I was leading to there is a system in place for all of these identity tools that the world uses. If some uses any of these tools in a Illegal entry in the US should indeed be deported.

hypocrisy is on you trying to move the issue to amnesty. I do advocate that the Immigration laws are there for a reason. To filter the undesirables.

I think you were referring to the man trying to get status for his bride. That case the only course was to run the course of the Visa and then return to country of Origin to reapply until the Legal Alien Status is achieved.

Good Try Bucko!
 
Old 04-15-2014, 11:42 AM
 
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No I do not endorse fraud on any level when it comes to Visa, Pass ports and the big trouble Identity theft. All I was leading to there is a system in place for all of these identity tools that the world uses. If some uses any of these tools in a Illegal entry in the US should indeed be deported.

hypocrisy is on you trying to move the issue to amnesty. I do advocate that the Immigration laws are there for a reason. To filter the undesirables.

I think you were referring to the man trying to get status for his bride. That case the only course was to run the course of the Visa and then return to country of Origin to reapply until the Legal Alien Status is achieved.

Good Try Bucko!
There wasn't any gender offered for the scenario, but you clearly responded that your solution involved visa fraud. You also continued on that you knew of several people that applied for "tourist" visas repeatedly until they were able to secure living permanently in the United States. The comment you made about "deporting" asylum and refugee applicants should also be addressed (you are discounting those lawfully coming, while endorsing that visa fraud, and speaking of the unpopular notion that a former illegal alien is able to come back legally).

Certainly if you can find any statement that I have advocated any "amnesty" other than what is currently recognized by immigration law, please quote it...
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