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Uh; I ain't scared of offending a group of people if their "tribal loyalty" to LatAm means more than being an American. There ain't enough of them to do boo and even their birthrate is falling. So; lets' get hopping on hard core deportations IF the fools in DC will ever "man up" and do the right thing.
Giving you another rep just wasn't enough! Excellent observation.
It's long past-due that both parties and our government put the needs of the tax paying U.S. Citizens ahead of illegals and their proponents. Unfortunately, the border states especially get hit when we can least afford to house, feed, clothe, school, provide medical care, give driver licenses, ad nauseam to these unwelcome interlopers. End of rant... for now.
I understand your position. The question is how the GOP will be able to finesse the issue, with their base obstinate in its opposition to anything that smacks of amnesty while simultaneously desperately needing to detoxify their relationship with Hispanics to have a chance at winning in presidential elections now, and especially in the future.
Holding a hard line on "immigration"? This isn't about immigration but illegal immigration. So respecting and enforcing our immigration laws is holding a hard line even though we allow in over 1 million legal immigrants a year?
How does the GOP "detoxify" their relationship with Hispanics? Is it as I said, they would have to thumb their noses at our immigration laws in order to accomplish that? FYI, even though a good majority of Hispanics want amnesty they all don't.
You seem to want to make this issue about the future of the GOP and white Americans while discounting all the other races/ethnic groups that have conservatives among them and don't want another amnesty either.
If the future of the GOP depends on placating a group of ethnocentrics via thumbing their noses at our immigration laws then let them go down in flames with at least a pro-American, pro-laws attitude. Heroes have gone down in the past defending what is right. Those are the people I respect not panderers caving into what is wrong.
I understand your position. The question is how the GOP will be able to finesse the issue, with their base obstinate in its opposition to anything that smacks of amnesty while simultaneously desperately needing to detoxify their relationship with Hispanics to have a chance at winning in presidential elections now, and especially in the future.
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^You see, it isn't just Hispanic illegals who will benefit should amnesty happen. In the past, ICE deported illegal aliens back to 189 different countries. 189 different countries covers every race, religion and ethnicity. Why should either party be pandering to those who are here illegally?
Also, why do you think that there is a need for republicans "to detoxify their relationship with Hispanics"? I'm half-Hispanic, and by republicans supporting amnesty, it certainly doesn't make me a fan. Nor am I a fan of democrats for the same reason. Which ever party has the courage to stand up and stay NO to amnesty, that's the party that will get my support.
Hispanics are not a monolith that votes and thinks alike. For example, Cubans tend to vote republican.
Besides, when polled, Hispanic-Americans rate the economy as their #1 concern with immigration issues coming in at either #5 or #6.
I, for one, find it insulting that both parties think that in order to get my vote, they need to promise amnesty for illegal aliens. I do not support law breakers.
Agreed. I'm of Irish family and word is there are many illegal alien Irish in places like Boston. Deport them all! Sheesh!
Agreed. I'm of Irish family and word is there are many illegal alien Irish in places like Boston. Deport them all! Sheesh!
My husband is of Irish descent and agrees with you 100%! As he puts it, the illegal Irish need to call The Padded Wagon (there is actually a moving company with that name that specializes in moving illegal Irish back to Ireland), pack their things and leave.
... can the GOP hope to successfully compete for that legal young Hispanic vote while refusing legalization with a path to citizenship for the illegals already here?
In my view ... no, it can't successfully compete unless ... and that's a fact moderate Republicans understand and are trying to educate their bretheren about.
In my view ... no, it can't successfully compete unless ... and that's a fact moderate Republicans understand and are trying to educate their bretheren about.
No politician, on either side of the aisle should have to pander to an ethnic, racial or religious group by promising that the illegal alien members of that group will get amnesty.
In my view ... no, it can't successfully compete unless ... and that's a fact moderate Republicans understand and are trying to educate their bretheren about.
So what you are saying is that the GOP needs to get educated that Hispanics won't vote for them unless they thumb their noses at our immigration laws for their illegal bretheren? Why should any politicians do that? Besides, they won't garner much more of the Hispanic vote anyway. Minorities typically vote Democrat based on the other issues.
Why are you making this a white vs Hispanic issue? As I pointed out there are 266 million non-Hispanics in this country vs only 50 million Hispanics and out of those 266 million whites, blacks, Asians and other Americans make up that number. Only 10 million Hispanics voted in the last election. This country is a melting pot of Americans of all races and ethnic groups so no there is no big change in that respect. It is illegal immigration that is changing the face of this country and that is neither natural nor lawful.
So essentially what you are saying is that the GOP has to thumb their noses at our immigration laws in order to gain the Hispanic vote? There is something wrong with this picture, isn't there? Aren't Americans of all ethnic groups and races obligated to honor our laws and not think along ethnic tribal lines when it comes to those laws? Minorities including Hispanics have a track record of voting Democrat anyway and that would not change much even if the GOP caved into amnesty.
Why should illegals be legalized via an amnesty and put on a path to citizenship when they violated our immigration laws? We have millions of Americans out of work that need the jobs they are holding. It negates our reasonable legal immigration quotas and laws. It sends a signal that we will reward lawbreakers and that our borders don't mean anything. We should be thinking about what is best for this country as a whole not negating our laws for some special interest group.
Old Glory there are those who just want open borders no matter what the cost is. We should be aggressive as a country to deport as many as we can to send a message. This will not tolerated in this country.
Our augment is simple break the law and will go. many countries including Mexico has far more aggressive law enforcement than the US; That is sad.
The other point I have been toying with is what would happen if we would cleanup LA?
1, Less traffic congestion would be half and you can actual get across town (LA& Orange Co) in 40 minutes. 2. Would have more affordable homes 3. No more gangs and a decrease in crimes and fraud. 4. No more crowed Schools for our Children. 5. English would dominate the State Again. 6. The Cities would more attractive to the Middle Class Again. 7. Tax Payers would not be on the hook foe excessive assistance programs. 8. Lower Tax rate for most Californians. 9. Property Seized from Illegal Aliens pays the cost. 10. surplus monies go for Urban Renewal.
Old Glory there are those who just want open borders no matter what the cost is. We should be aggressive as a country to deport as many as we can to send a message. This will not tolerated in this country.
Our augment is simple break the law and will go. many countries including Mexico has far more aggressive law enforcement than the US; That is sad.
The other point I have been toying with is what would happen if we would cleanup LA?
1, Less traffic congestion would be half and you can actual get across town (LA& Orange Co) in 40 minutes. 2. Would have more affordable homes 3. No more gangs and a decrease in crimes and fraud. 4. No more crowed Schools for our Children. 5. English would dominate the State Again. 6. The Cities would more attractive to the Middle Class Again. 7. Tax Payers would not be on the hook foe excessive assistance programs. 8. Lower Tax rate for most Californians. 9. Property Seized from Illegal Aliens pays the cost. 10. surplus monies go for Urban Renewal.
Deportation does not sound so evil now.
I would just add that there would be plentiful jobs for our blue-collared workers again and wages would go up.
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