The GOP position on immigration: Get out

[gunlover]

Originally Posted by Bureaucat

I understand your position. The question is how the GOP will be able to finesse the issue, with their base obstinate in its opposition to anything that smacks of amnesty while simultaneously desperately needing to detoxify their relationship with Hispanics to have a chance at winning in presidential elections now, and especially in the future.

Base a solution on facts, a mountain of the them, take the message to the people, tell them how it will harm this nation, economically, political, culturally.

If we can not a civil war will happen, you can not import millions of left leaning voters into this nation, having the 3rd world this nation and expect us to sit back and take it..

We need to win over America what is very against amnesty, if the dems want to stand in our way fine

They will have to tell young voters how they will have to compete for loans and grants against the poor, unskilled immigrates and their kids.

They will have to tell blue collar workings they will have to compete with people who will work for far less money then they do because they can always go on welfare, bankrupting small businesses and laying off millions of trades men.

They will have to tell millions of union members their will have to take lower pay, and might of the jobs shipped oversea due to higher that will come from having millions of new entitlement uses in America.

They will have to tell the Police unions and Border Patrol unions that they favor up to a million new criminals in this nation, gang members, drug dealers, rapist, child molesters, Murders and serial killers.

They will have to tell parents they that they will turn their neighborhood and schools into a 3rd world slum filled with violence, gangs, drugs, high taxes, and low to no freedom

Then they will have to explain to people living in a now high crime, gang ridden hellhole why they have to be disarmed, having their right to keep and bear arms limited, infringed, or abolished.

Then you will have to tell all of the above that you they the left support higher taxes, fewer jobs, less freedom, higher and higher crime just so they can import millions of voters who will murder this nation in exchange for a welfare check...

You can look up the study that found that multicultural communities, that result from this birth-rate replacement immigration, have less trust and community bonding. Less community bonding means less effective community co-operation and therefore less effective political co-operation and therefore less effective political power in the hands of the people. Divide and conquer.


Ever stop to think this is what the Progressive/Marxist/Statist/Elitist want?

It occurs to me that it would be quite hard to impose dictatorial rule over a society united by common heritage, common history, common ideals and a love of liberty.

It's a lot easier to rule with an iron fist when the nation is divided by sectarian and ethnic strife, and reeling from the collapse of a welfare state. A divided republic cannot stand

The irony is, the Communist goal is going to leave the party members in charge of 6 billion poor prisoners. At least in the VERY end... The enemies of freedom will be kings, ruling over a kingdom of ****.

I wonder if they will be baffled about the death of the shining cities they saw themselves commanding when they started their war on humanity and freedom, but then again they wont win.

Secure the Border
Punish all businesses who hire illegal labor
End Birthright Citizenship for illegal and their kids
Cap legal immigration at 250,000 a year


If not this will only lead to massive civil war, You can not import a serf class and expect Americans to sit by and become slaves to a ruling class, based on the lie of multiculturalism..

[Bureaucat]

The GOP establishment wants nothing to do with the mass deportation of illegal aliens.

Two words fill them with terror.

Pete Wilson

Pete Wilson rode the popularity of Proposition 187 to re-election in 1994 as Governor of California. Prop 187 would have basically denied all types of services to illegals, including education, health care and social services. After it was passed it never went into effect because of a lawsuit that was filed. Prop 187 was ruled to be unconstitutional by the federal courts in 1998. Prior to Pete's support for Prop 187, California's Hispanic population routinely gave the GOP 30-40% of their vote and the Republican Party at the very least held it's own with the Democrats. The GOP identification with Prop 187 changed that completely. California Hispanics now vote in lockstep with the Democrats and as a result none of the statewide offices are currently held by the GOP. The only Republican elected governor since Pete Wilson was Arnold, who obviously isn't your normal republican. At the state level, the party is virtually dead.

[gunlover]

Originally Posted by GHOSTRIDER AZ

Old Glory there are those who just want open borders no matter what the cost is. We should be aggressive as a country to deport as many as we can to send a message. This will not tolerated in this country.

Our augment is simple break the law and will go. many countries including Mexico has far more aggressive law enforcement than the US; That is sad.

The other point I have been toying with is what would happen if we would cleanup LA?

1, Less traffic congestion would be half and you can actual get across town (LA& Orange Co) in 40 minutes.
2. Would have more affordable homes
3. No more gangs and a decrease in crimes and fraud.
4. No more crowed Schools for our Children.
5. English would dominate the State Again.
6. The Cities would more attractive to the Middle Class Again.
7. Tax Payers would not be on the hook foe excessive assistance programs.
8. Lower Tax rate for most Californians.
9. Property Seized from Illegal Aliens pays the cost.
10. surplus monies go for Urban Renewal.

Deportation does not sound so evil now.

Originally Posted by Oldglory

I would just add that there would be plentiful jobs for our blue-collared workers again and wages would go up.

You left out how leftist will no longer have nearly as much political power...

Lower taxes
More property rights
More liberty, and yes more firearm freedoms..

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by Bureaucat

The GOP establishment wants nothing to do with the mass deportation of illegal aliens.

Two words fill them with terror.

Pete Wilson

Pete Wilson rode the popularity of Proposition 187 to re-election in 1994 as Governor of California. Prop 187 would have basically denied all types of services to illegals, including education, health care and social services. After it was passed it never went into effect because of a lawsuit that was filed. Prop 187 was ruled to be unconstitutional by the federal courts in 1998. Prior to Pete's support for Prop 187, California's Hispanic population routinely gave the GOP 30-40% of their vote and the Republican Party at the very least held it's own with the Democrats. The GOP identification with Prop 187 changed that completely. California Hispanics now vote in lockstep with the Democrats and as a result none of the statewide offices are currently held by the GOP. The only Republican elected governor since Pete Wilson was Arnold, who obviously isn't your normal republican. At the state level, the party is virtually dead.

And just why would Hispanic citizens want our tax dollars spent on illegal aliens? And by the way, neither side is for mass deportations. What the GOP wants is for all the incentives for them to remain here removed. Many if not most would leave on their own.

[BOS2IAD]

I'm half Hispanic and I am all for denying illegal aliens education, health care (except for emergencies. After they are treated, deport them) and social services.

You see, you don't get it, Bureaucat. Not all illegals are Hispanics and not all Hispanic-Americans support law breakers. Plenty of Hispanic-Americans have been victimized by illegal aliens in the form of ID theft plus unskilled Hispanic-Americans have been displaced in the workforce by illegals. Illegal aliens have been deported back to 189 different countries. 189 different countries covers every race, religion and ethnicity.

Ask yourself this---why do politicians on both sides of the aisle feel the need to pander to Hispanics with promises of amnesty? Since we have illegal aliens from all over the world, why aren't they also pandering to other racial, ethnic and religious groups in this fashion?

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by BOS2IAD

I'm half Hispanic and I am all for denying illegal aliens education, health care (except for emergencies. After they are treated, deport them) and social services.

You see, you don't get it, Bureaucat. Not all illegals are Hispanics and not all Hispanic-Americans support law breakers. Plenty of Hispanic-Americans have been victimized by illegal aliens in the form of ID theft plus unskilled Hispanic-Americans have been displaced in the workforce by illegals. Illegal aliens have been deported back to 189 different countries. 189 different countries covers every race, religion and ethnicity.

Ask yourself this---why do politicians on both sides of the aisle feel the need to pander to Hispanics with promises of amnesty? Since we have illegal aliens from all over the world, why aren't they also pandering to other racial, ethnic and religious groups in this fashion?

The answer is obvious. Hispanics (mostly from Mexico) are the largest group here illegally by far. If it were another ethnic group/nationality the pandering would be to them instead. I'm not sure it were a different group though that they would be demanding amnesty for their illegal brethren in exchange for votes. Different cultures view things differently.

[BOS2IAD]

Exactly, Oldglory!

It's time for the pandering to stop. Law breakers do not deserve amnesty.

[GHOSTRIDER AZ]

Originally Posted by Oldglory

And just why would Hispanic citizens want our tax dollars spent on illegal aliens? And by the way, neither side is for mass deportations. What the GOP wants is for all the incentives for them to remain here removed. Many if not most would leave on their own.

seize their property and US Bank Accounts! To pay the cost of deportations.