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Old 01-02-2011, 04:08 PM
 
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"Although there is no record of the precise number that left Egypt in the Exodus, a military census taken not long after listed the number of men 20 years of age and older who could serve in the army as 603,550 (Exodus 38:26). From that number, the total Israelite population of that time has been estimated at approximately 2 to 3 million."

Bible Study - How Many In The Exodus?
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Wouldn't that be at least half the population of Egypt at that time?

And why were there hard fought battles in the Promised Land?

Obviously, with over half a million soldiers, the Hebrews would have very greatly outnumbered the tribes they encountered and simply overwhelmed them by numbers alone, wouldn't they?

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Old 01-02-2011, 04:30 PM
 
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Wouldn't that be at least half the population of Egypt at that time?
Hard to tell. Do you have census statistics for Egypt at that time?

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And why were there hard fought battles in the Promised Land?


They didn't always send out their whole fighting force.

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Obviously, with over half a million soldiers, the Hebrews would have very greatly outnumbered the tribes they encountered and simply overwhelmed them by numbers alone, wouldn't they?


Obviously reality is different from what you assume.
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Old 01-02-2011, 04:41 PM
 
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Did he prove there was a Hebrew "exodus" or were there always people coming and going?


yes.

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How exactly did he prove these were Hebrew graves?


By the Hebrew on the headstones.

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You don't suppose he had a view which had to be maintained for doctrinal reasons, do you?


No, not at all. Why do you ask?

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You failed to give us his name.
You failed to ask.

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Old 01-02-2011, 06:35 PM
 
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Hard to tell. Do you have census statistics for Egypt at that time?

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Yes.

Another problem is the estimated population of the nation of Israel compared to the estimated population of Egypt at this time. It is estimated that the whole population of Egypt at the time of the exodus was between 2 and 5 million. According to the above estimates of the population of Israel, the people of Israel would be the population of Egypt. [How many came out of the exodus of Egypt, By Jacob Gebhart, Ancient Hebrew Research Center.]



They didn't always send out their whole fighting force.

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If the Hebrews had sufficient manpower but didn't send out a sufficient number to prevaile over the enemy, they weren't very competent militarily, were they? Unless we are dealing with fiction here.



Obviously reality is different from what you assume.
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On the contrary, I can separate reality from fiction evenin the Bible.
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Old 01-02-2011, 06:38 PM
 
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[quote=Eusebius;17230103][/b]

yes.



By the Hebrew on the headstones.

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Hebrews died all over the world throughout history.
How did the author establish these "headstones" were from the members of the Exodus?
How many headstones were counted. With several million Hebrews, there must have been quite a number.
Was the author the first person to find them?

Is his report credible?



No, not at all. Why do you ask?



You failed to ask.

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If you can't even provide the name of the purported author, we a justified in dismissing the History Channel's report out of hand.

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Old 01-02-2011, 07:25 PM
 
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I supplied the link to the name of the person of interest. Look again above.
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Old 01-02-2011, 07:44 PM
 
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I supplied the link to the name of the person of interest. Look again above.
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From Wikipedia:

The 2006 History Channel documentary The Exodus Decoded revived an idea first put forward by the 1st century AD Jewish historian Josephus, identifing the Israelites with the Hyksos, the non-Egyptian rulers of Egypt expelled by the resurgent native Eighteenth Dynasty of Egypt, c.1550-1530 BC. However, there are numerous difficulties with the theory, and it is not accepted by scholars.[39][40]

[39]^ "Debunking "The Exodus Decoded"". September 20, 2006. http://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2006/09/Debunking-The-Exodus-Decoded.aspx. Retrieved 8 August 2009.
[40]^ "The Exodus Decoded: An Extended Review". Tuesday 19 Dec 2006. http://www.heardworld.com/higgaion/?p=459. Retrieved 8 August 2009

Er, the Hyksos weren't the Hebrews.

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Old 01-03-2011, 07:14 AM
 
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"The Hyksos Expulsion, contemporaneous Egyptian records of the driving
out of the mysterious Hyksos people. Jacobovici suggests that the Hyksos
and the Hebrews were one and the same, a thesis he supports with
Egyptian-style signet rings uncovered in the Hyksos capital of Avaris (30°
47'14.71"N, 31°49'16.92"E) that read "Yakov/Yakub" (from Yaqub-her),
similar to the Hebrew name of the Biblical patriarch Jacob (Ya'aqov)."
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Old 01-03-2011, 08:18 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Eusebius View Post
"The Hyksos Expulsion, contemporaneous Egyptian records of the driving
out of the mysterious Hyksos people. Jacobovici suggests that the Hyksos
and the Hebrews were one and the same, a thesis he supports with
Egyptian-style signet rings uncovered in the Hyksos capital of Avaris (30°
47'14.71"N, 31°49'16.92"E) that read "Yakov/Yakub" (from Yaqub-her),
similar to the Hebrew name of the Biblical patriarch Jacob (Ya'aqov)."
The Exodus Decoded - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Nice "suggestion" Jacobovici. But not credible. The Hyksos were an entirely different people. Jacobovici's attempt to prove otherwise isn't supported by the evidence.

From Wkipedia:

"Jacobovici's assertions have been extensively criticized both by archaeologists and religious scholars . The criticism addresses each of Jacobovici's claims, as well as his methods in general. Critics point out, among the following:”


For an extensive debunking of Jacobovici's "suggestion" See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_Decoded


Wikipedia: Hyksos

"The Hyksos first appeared in the Eleventh dynasty of Egypt, began their climb to power in the Thirteenth dynasty of Egypt, and came out of the second intermediate period in control of Avaris and the Delta. They were also related to the Fourteenth dynasty of Egypt. By the Fifteenth dynasty of Egypt, they ruled lower Egypt, and at the end of the Seventeenth dynasty of Egypt, they were expelled. "

Question:

Did the Hebrews ever "rule" in Egypt? Did the Bible overlook that "fact.'
Perhaps you should read more widely on the subject.

So here's what the Bible claims:

Exodus 12:40,41 “The time that the people of Israel dwelt in Egypt was four hundred and thirty years. And at the end of four hundred and thirty years, on that very day, all the hosts of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt

Exodus 12:37 “And the people of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand men on foot, besides women and children"

Thus, the Israelites were suppose to be in Egypt as slaves for hundreds of years and then left (taking Egyption wealth with them).

Yet, there are no Egyptians records of any of this although the Egyptians are know for extensive record keeping.The Bible has the only account of this folklore.

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Old 01-03-2011, 10:13 AM
 
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The ancient Jewish historian Flavius Josephus suggested in his work Contra Apion that the Hyksos were, in fact, the ancient Hebrews.

Many of the theories explored by Jacobovici were previously published in the 1998 book Act of God written by British historian Graham Phillips.

Folklore? That's cute.
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