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Old 12-09-2014, 05:18 AM
 
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Actually its Kolboynick or Altsveyser.
Thanks...

 
Old 12-09-2014, 06:30 AM
 
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But, in HEEEBREW...it is Yeshua...
The only Yeshua in the Jewish scriptures was Moses's right hand man and later leader of the Israelites, although different books call him by several variations on that. The person commonly called Jesus by Christians would have been called Isho by his contemporaries, who mostly spoke Aramaic. (See post by Pruzhany above on correct pronunciation.)

Jesus, the character that appears in Christian scriptures, does not appear in Jewish scriptures. Why the insistence on Hebrew?
 
Old 12-09-2014, 06:38 AM
 
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The only Yeshua in the Jewish scriptures was Moses's right hand man and later leader of the Israelites, although different books call him by several variations on that. The person commonly called Jesus by Christians would have been called Isho by his contemporaries, who mostly spoke Aramaic. (See post by Pruzhany above on correct pronunciation.)

Jesus, the character that appears in Christian scriptures, does not appear in Jewish scriptures. Why the insistence on Hebrew?
Did you miss this one? - https://www.city-data.com/forum/37566129-post112.html
 
Old 12-09-2014, 06:41 AM
 
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I did not miss anything. Why the insistence on "HEEEBREW"? (Your 'word')
 
Old 12-09-2014, 09:15 AM
 
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I did not miss anything. Why the insistence on "HEEEBREW"? (Your 'word')
You are proselytizing a name. 2000+ years ago Aramaic among Jews was written using Hebrew letters. What is seen as Hebrew to you is actually Aramaic to us. Greeks created a connection to the name when none existed in the same manner they created the word satan which was actually was hasatun which meant adversary.

FWIW: The Tanakh is written in Aramaic using Hebrew letters. A person that can read modern Hebrew has to learn Aramaic Hebrew to read it and be able to translate it as much of it is not used in modern Hebrew.


If you still don't get it, here's some Middle English. Maybe after attempting to reading it, you will understand the POV of us in this forum.


Chaucer's English - page 1
 
Old 12-09-2014, 01:18 PM
 
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You are proselytizing a name. 2000+ years ago Aramaic among Jews was written using Hebrew letters. What is seen as Hebrew to you is actually Aramaic to us. Greeks created a connection to the name when none existed in the same manner they created the word satan which was actually was hasatun which meant adversary.

FWIW: The Tanakh is written in Aramaic using Hebrew letters. A person that can read modern Hebrew has to learn Aramaic Hebrew to read it and be able to translate it as much of it is not used in modern Hebrew.


If you still don't get it, here's some Middle English. Maybe after attempting to reading it, you will understand the POV of us in this forum.


Chaucer's English - page 1
In addition to parts of The Canterbury Tales in the original, I had to read portions of Beowulf in the original. That was even worse. Catholic Universities are obsessed with heavy liberal arts exposure regardless of your major. (Or they were way back anyway. Lots of things have gone downhill since then.)

But the name of Jesus, the Christian character, would only have been written in Greek. Not in Aramaic or Hebrew, except maybe for the mostly lost Gospel of the Hebrews, supposedly in Aramaic. And whoever said his name in those days would have said it in Aramaic - Isho, not Yeshua.

So what is the difference between the TaNaKh and the Targum, which according to he Jewish Encyclopedia was the Jewish scriptures translated into Aramaic?
 
Old 12-09-2014, 02:26 PM
 
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I thnk you two are saying the same thing. Only Chrstians call Yushke "Yeshua."
 
Old 12-09-2014, 02:49 PM
 
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...But the name of Jesus, the Christian character, would only have been written in Greek. Not in Aramaic or Hebrew, except maybe for the mostly lost Gospel of the Hebrews, supposedly in Aramaic. And whoever said his name in those days would have said it in Aramaic - Isho, not Yeshua.
YOU are mixing dialects. In the Jewish Aramaic dialect it was Yeeshu or Yeshua. In the Levant Aramaic (non-Jewish)dialect it would have been pronounced eeeshow. What you are doing is similar to comparing Hebrew to Arabic. They both have similar roots, but they have different dialects.

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Old 12-09-2014, 02:58 PM
 
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I think you two are saying the same thing. Only Chrstians call Yushke "Yeshua."
When it comes up in Israel in modern Hebrew it is pronounced Yeshua.

From here you can take over and explain the Targum to this poster since this thread is so way off topic.
 
Old 12-09-2014, 05:15 PM
 
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This thread has wandered so far off topic it no longer resembles the OP

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