Judaism and who goes to heaven...

[Sgoldie]

A couple of points-

If Jesus didn't believe in Judiasm, he wouldn't have practiced it.

There is a difference in the approach God took in reaching Jews and Christians. In the case of Jews he came to them. In the case of Christians, he expects them to come to him. If he has chosen Jesus as a way for Christians to do that, so be it. Jews already had a relationship with him.

The NT does not negate or change God's relationship to Jews. Jews believe they have a personal relationship with God, at his bequest, that does not rely on a carrot and stick method of heaven and hell espoused by newer beliefs. Interpretation of laws varies within all religions. It is actions and respect in the here and now that are important, and are to be extended to everyone as they are also to God, belief is not enough.

I see, ibcwife, that you have done much studying. The website I cited above should make for interesting reading for you to expand your knowledge of the foundations of all singular diety religions. I trust you realize that Muslims hold the same position you do that everyone must convert to their take on things in order to relate to God, as they feel they have the latest word.

[ontheroad]

You have made some good points.

One of the issues that often does not get raised sufficiently, and here in the forum that is often the case, is the distinction between beliefs. It is disheartening to see that different beliefs are, if not scorned by some people, than plainly dismissed, if they don't resemble one's own personal beliefs.

The Jewish faith, in myriad forms has survived more than 5000 years. It is not Christianity, and to compare salvation of the Jewish people to belief in Jesus Christ is not exhibiting respect for other peoples beliefs--and although in this country a mere 2% of the population, a well represented minority.

Unfortunately, I haven't seen a DC member of the Muslim faith post, and it would be valuable and electrifying in scope to see how the three religions interface and diverge.

Originally Posted by Sgoldie

A couple of points-

If Jesus didn't believe in Judiasm, he wouldn't have practiced it.

There is a difference in the approach God took in reaching Jews and Christians. In the case of Jews he came to them. In the case of Christians, he expects them to come to him. If he has chosen Jesus as a way for Christians to do that, so be it. Jews already had a relationship with him.

The NT does not negate or change God's relationship to Jews. Jews believe they have a personal relationship with God, at his bequest, that does not rely on a carrot and stick method of heaven and hell espoused by newer beliefs. Interpretation of laws varies within all religions. It is actions and respect in the here and now that are important, and are to be extended to everyone as they are also to God, belief is not enough.

I see, ibcwife, that you have done much studying. The website I cited above should make for interesting reading for you to expand your knowledge of the foundations of all singular diety religions. I trust you realize that Muslims hold the same position you do that everyone must convert to their take on things in order to relate to God, as they feel they have the latest word.

[spunky1]

Originally Posted by ibcwife

I do not have any hostility toward Jews.... and respond in the same way to ANYONE that didn't believe in Jesus Christ.

And I suppose the Dead Sea Scrolls that were found were just fakes?

ibcwife, How stating fact can be misconstrued as being "anti-semitic" is really a stretch and IMO not worth wasting ones breath responding too!