The Los Angeles Homeless Containment Thread (Orange, Marina: 2013, lease, eviction)

[majoun]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

As Los Angeles politicians face mounting pressure to combat the homelessness crisis, the City Council is weighing two measures aimed at clearing obstacles to getting more people into housing.

But the proposed laws have stirred up concerns among critics who fear they will muzzle neighbors or concentrate homeless housing into specific neighborhoods.

L.A. considers cutting through red tape to get homeless people housed faster

But they're not talking about putting them in the desert.

With Venice's high property values it is complete folly to talk about building homeless housing there considering that is cheaper in so many other places.

[Matadora]

Originally Posted by seain dublin

No, people who work fast food jobs at 28 and have two kids(usually not married) don't deserve free homes.

Did mention any age or any kids? No.

I am making the point that I would rather see people who work hard at minimal paying jobs get the support they need vs. just building housing for career homeless folks who don't want to work hard for what they get in life.

Throwing money at unmotivated/drugged out/mentally unstable individuals is not the solution. We will never solve homelessness.

[seain dublin]

Originally Posted by Matadora

Did mention any age or any kids? No.

I am making the point that I would rather see people who work hard at minimal paying jobs get the support they need vs. just building housing for career homeless folks who don't want to work hard for what they get in life.

Throwing money at unmotivated/drugged out/mentally unstable individuals is not the solution. We will never solve homelessness.

So what? Not everyone needs a house or needs to buy one. That's why many rent. I rented for years in LA, but you know what, I saved up money...what a novel idea.

I didn't expect others to give me a house.

The ones whining on TV about wanting a $15 or more minimum wage ALWAYS mention having kids. Somehow their lack of planning, not pursuing any formal education now means their low skilled job should pay them more than their worth.

I agree, throwing money at the problem of housing that out in the desert isn't going to solve the problem.

But you also don't a free house because you work a low paying job, rent a room.

[seain dublin]

Originally Posted by expatCA

You are right, but people hate to admit that it is up to them to do well, not everyone else.

Didn't use to be that way, if you didn't have the money you did without.

Now we have an "I want it, and I want it now" mentality, not being able to afford it doesn't seem to come into play.

[streetscenes]

Originally Posted by majoun

It would not be constitutional to NOT move them to where the housing is, according to the 9th Circuit.

Huh? I don't get what you are trying to say here.

[streetscenes]

Originally Posted by CALGUY

"And who is going to pay for all this Bob? You?"

The funds for the homeless were already allocated by a vote of the people.

Problem is, government is spending it in the wrong places.

Bob.

It is true the money has been allocated and it is true that lots of the money is being spent in the wrong places. Unfortunately lots of money and resources have already been wasted. This recent LA times article from Steve Lopez lays it out, and it's not pretty. L.A. homeless crisis grows despite political promises, many speeches and millions of dollars. How do we fix this? Lack of coordination and infighting between various agencies, mainly between the city and county.

But the idea that we can "BUILD THE CAMPS" and all of this will magically disappear is nonsense. Just on the logistical side it would never work. You should read up on the Japanese interment camps from the WW2 era. Manzanar, the one closest to us held 10,000 people. And that was on 540 acres with almost 40 barracks for internees plus a similar number of barracks just to house all of the support staff. And we have more than 5 times as many homeless in the city of LA. Are we really going to build a 2,000 acre facility in the AV with hundreds of buildings to house tens of thousands of homeless people?

This X5?. BTW - the photo was taken by Ansel Adams.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manzanar

[majoun]

Originally Posted by Taiko

The problem with build the camps is will they come. Whether they are in the out reaches of the county or built on old city owned parking lots will we let them bring in their self medication without unreasonable search and seizure? Will we provide privacy to allow them to attempt to reproduce or masturbate? Without that we are then turning this over to the Sheriff/ Department of Corrections and forcing them into the camp/urban building? Something which our courts have repeatedly struck down

The courts struck down rounding them up BECAUSE there were no camps to put them in. If such camps exist they can be rounded up

[Matadora]

Originally Posted by seain dublin

So what?

I don't get why you have completely misinterpreted my point.

Originally Posted by seain dublin

Not everyone needs a house or needs to buy one. That's why many rent.

Let me correct...insert housing for house.

Originally Posted by seain dublin

I didn't expect others to give me a house.

Here is where you missed my point. Never did I say the homeless 'expect' others to buy them a house...the bleeding hearts expect others to provide free housing to the homeless. My point is why not instead provide it to those who are working hard to make ends meet but who are barely scraping by?

Originally Posted by seain dublin

The ones whining on TV about wanting a $15 or more minimum wage ALWAYS mention having kids. Somehow their lack of planning, not pursuing any formal education now means their low skilled job should pay them more than their worth.

This has nothing to do with what I posted.

Originally Posted by seain dublin

I agree, throwing money at the problem of housing that out in the desert isn't going to solve the problem.

Originally Posted by seain dublin

But you also don't a free house because you work a low paying job, rent a room.

Nor are you entitled to free housing just because you are a career homeless person.

[jm1982]

Recent L.A Times article reading homeless situation

L.A. homeless crisis grows despite political promises, many speeches and millions of dollars. How do we fix this?

[CA4Now]

^^ from your link (and posted on the Orange County homeless thread a couple of weeks ago):

"...a region where housing costs have soared and gentrification has unsettled one neighborhood after another, pushing more people into their cars and onto the streets.

On skid row, I (Steve Lopez) asked a social worker if numbers are up.

Yes, he said.

And what's the biggest reason?

"Evictions," he said.